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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Almeidaboo on January 26, 2006, 01:41:45 AM

Title: "action RPG"
Post by: Almeidaboo on January 26, 2006, 01:41:45 AM
IMO this "action RPG" thing doesnīt exist. I think they fit perfecly in the "Adventure" genre, reason for which Zelda shouldnīt compete with FFs and so on.

What do you guys think?
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Post by: Meiscool-2 on January 26, 2006, 01:55:23 AM
DW is not adventure.
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Post by: carmen on January 26, 2006, 02:00:26 AM
well the term RPG (Role Playing Game) Does not specify a tactical/ strategic battle rule. It merely demonstrates the fact that you play a deeper role in the storyline. It allows you more customize your character around your personality.

Once again, it doesn't specify whether or not it's a real time based battle, with some action fast paced elements or aka "action RPG"

so...yeah. it exsists.
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Post by: blaze_shinigami on January 26, 2006, 02:08:31 AM
I just ate... no seriously RPGs have been defined as the that fantasy world take they you into, no?  Because usually when there's a game that is strategy, it's strategic/RPG, & the turn based & zelda SOM  KH type don't really get classified, but yeah. And what about MMORPGs, those are action-ish, as in they are not turned based, and you're not waiting. They still aren't as active as say an FPS or third person, or sports game, but yeah, i don't know where I'm going.
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Post by: carmen on January 26, 2006, 02:11:06 AM
i felt like that was going somewhere....


...but didn't
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Post by: blaze_shinigami on January 26, 2006, 02:12:20 AM
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i felt like that was going somewhere....


...but didn't


yeah I ran out of brain juice.
yeah I changed it for brian to brain.
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Post by: Cerebus on January 26, 2006, 02:16:49 AM
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yeah I ran out of brian juice.


You ran out of Brian juice!?! You mean... Brian Peppers's juice!?!
I never considered Zelda has an RPG. For me, RPGs are games like Final Fantasy, Golden Sun, Dragon Warrior and such thing. Zelda, for me, is adventure.
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Post by: Snake Eater on January 26, 2006, 02:55:05 AM
I agree with Carmen.
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Post by: WarxePB on January 26, 2006, 03:21:05 AM
If you really want to get literal, nearly any game can be considered an RPG, as you're taking the role of a character within that game's world. This means that some games could be assigned "platformer RPG" or "FPS RPG", and it could be considered correct.

Even in the more real sense of the word, an RPG can still have an action-based battle system, or a strategy-based one, or whatever. The Zelda games, for example, use real-time fighting, but most of them have involving plots and upgradable characters and the like.
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Post by: blaze_shinigami on January 26, 2006, 03:24:30 AM
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Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
If you really want to get literal, nearly any game can be considered an RPG, as you're taking the role of a character within that game's world. This means that some games could be assigned "platformer RPG" or "FPS RPG", and it could be considered correct.

Even in the more real sense of the word, an RPG can still have an action-based battle system, or a strategy-based one, or whatever. The Zelda games, for example, use real-time fighting, but most of them have involving plots and upgradable characters and the like.


That's what I where going right there.
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on January 26, 2006, 03:38:38 AM
I do think Action RPGs exist. In a normal RPG, you go into battles, level up, buy equipment, etc. In an action RPG, it would be similar to Zelda except with more RPG elements like leveling up and other stuff that plain RPGs have, such as Sword of Mana or Shining Soul.

I don't conisder Zelda to be an RPG though. Mainly because you can't get your character stronger, other than just getting more hearts and items. (This may have changed in the later Zelda games, I dunno; I've only played the original and LttP)
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Post by: Cerebus on January 26, 2006, 03:49:08 AM
The only Zelda that was a real RPG was Zelda 2, and it sucked.
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Post by: Archem on January 26, 2006, 03:59:15 AM
As with most good things, there is a considerable gray area in this "RPG or not" question. In my opinion, if your character(s) are able to level up, evolve, increase in a physical or mental sense, or anything similar, it's an RPG. Of course, most things with such attributes that aren't considered RPGs are clearly classifiable into a different class, such as a platformer, or an FPS. Character customization alone doesn't necessarily make the RPG, nor does any specific viewpoint or play type. I feel that in some situations, multiple genres should be used, such as the action/RPG. A good example of this "grey area" would be Morrowind. Definitely a first-person game (assuming you don't prefer the somewhat odd third-person view), and it plays much like any FPS, yet it is considered by almost everyone to be an RPG. There are obvious hints to decide RPG or not, and, once again, beauty (or in this case, genre) is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, I'm strongly towards the idea of the "action RPG". Of course,  like I said earlier, I dual-classify it. Action/RPG. Yeah.
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Post by: Drace on January 26, 2006, 05:56:54 AM
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Originally posted by carmen
well the term RPG (Role Playing Game) Does not specify a tactical/ strategic battle rule. It merely demonstrates the fact that you play a deeper role in the storyline. It allows you more customize your character around your personality.

Once again, it doesn't specify whether or not it's a real time based battle, with some action fast paced elements or aka "action RPG"

so...yeah. it exsists.


Following that, I think I can savely say that all the MGS games are RPGs too.
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Post by: carmen on January 26, 2006, 06:37:48 AM
well....no. It's tactical/ action. Your role in that game is outweighed by the tatical gameplay.  lol I can savely say that too.  :p  
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Post by: Drace on January 26, 2006, 06:44:45 AM
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Originally posted by carmen
It merely demonstrates the fact that you play a deeper role in the storyline. It allows you more customize your character around your personality.


MGS is a very emotion game and you learn alot about most of the characters during it. You do play a way deeper role than on the outside. It's like a great movie or book. Once you begin, it'll swallow you whole and spit you out with more then when you entered it.
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Post by: carmen on January 26, 2006, 06:47:48 AM
but like I said, the game play outweighs your customization and the personification YOU can put into that character. You're playing That character. You're not the character. Understand? it's a laid down plot that you play in. Not one you control, or atleast feel like you can.

point: You're taking my term of characterization too far. I expect people to understand the limit of games before they ask questions that are answered.
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Post by: Drace on January 26, 2006, 01:32:45 PM
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Originally posted by carmen
but like I said, the game play outweighs your customization and the personification YOU can put into that character. You're playing That character. You're not the character. Understand? it's a laid down plot that you play in. Not one you control, or atleast feel like you can.

point: You're taking my term of characterization too far. I expect people to understand the limit of games before they ask questions that are answered.


The way you describe it doesn't have a real line that says: "Now ya going to faaar!"
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Post by: Almeidaboo on January 26, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
I think that the big gap the exists between action and the turn based RPGs is the lack of elements the first one has. You do not level up. You donīt get experience. You donīt really plan anything out. YOu just bang the button (somehow I think this was a curse expression...itīs not my native language, so meh)...
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Post by: carmen on January 27, 2006, 08:47:51 AM
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but like I said, the game play outweighs your customization and the personification YOU can put into that character. You're playing That character. You're not the character. Understand? it's a laid down plot that you play in. Not one you control, or atleast feel like you can.

point: You're taking my term of characterization too far. I expect people to understand the limit of games before they ask questions that are answered.


The way you describe it doesn't have a real line that says: "Now ya going to faaar!"


wow.....

just wow.


...moving on..I get what you mean Al, lol it's cool.


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Post by: Revolution911 on January 27, 2006, 04:39:34 PM
...RPGs arent limited to one type of gameplay =/
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Post by: MrMister on January 28, 2006, 04:28:26 AM
Every game ever has a main character that you control.
You always play a role..
That doesn't mean it's an RPG. Ummm.. I wanna say it's a misnomer, but that's not the right word.

Action RPGs absolutely exist..
Dark Cloud, Actraiser, and Kingdom Hearts.. how else could you describe them?
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Post by: carmen on January 28, 2006, 08:36:52 AM
well mr. everyone doesn't exactly get that apparently o.o

but you do. And that's cool