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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 05:31:13 AM

Title: Alternative Energy Sources
Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 05:31:13 AM

*sigh* There, happy?  _sweat_

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Originally posted by SonicChaos7 Here's how a wind powered car will work, just so everyone is on the same page. What wind car manufacturers would do is they would create some sort of turbine or something of that nature to catch the wind, spin and create energy for your vehicle. It's the same concept as the solar energy car, you drive out in the sun, an energy cell in you car is stored and is used when there is no sun. The only fault with solar powered cars is that if you have to drive all night and your car's energy is depleted, you're stuck until morning. Wind power, however, is useful at all times. So, that should explain how it would work.

I don't know what kind of tornado state you live in, but there isn't enough wind in Florida to power a wind car, I can tell you that right now. Hence why the wind power turbines and stuff are in states with lots of wind, like.... I dunno, states with lots of wind!

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Post by: carmen on March 24, 2005, 05:35:55 AM

well, the energy crisis can not be solved with one thing. We need an alt energy sources thats easy to refine/ use, and recycle. It's a tough thing. And would take some real know how

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 24, 2005, 05:39:44 AM

Well, of course your car would have to have energy stored the second you buy it. Otherwise, you're not getting out of the dealership lot. However, when you drive, you will catch wind. If you've ridden in a car or bus with the windows rolled down, you'll feel a lot of pressure against you. It's wind pressure. No matter how slight it may be, you'll still get wind. It'll be enough to power a car.

It'd be neat if we could just use food items as a fuel source. XD Just dump in some apple cores, banana peels, peanut shells and other stuff and you've got a fuel source! XD

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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 24, 2005, 05:47:02 AM

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*sigh* There, happy?  _sweat_

yes actually thx Osmose, seriously.

The idea of which Sonic speaks, I am not too down with that, but hey it is an idea. I've heard that there is actually cars that are not even powered by gas nor electricity anymore, but they don't build them, for some kind of secret purpose.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 24, 2005, 05:57:31 AM

Well, it would get environmentalists to shut up.

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Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 07:38:29 AM

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Originally posted by Osmose *sigh* There, happy?  _sweat_

yes actually thx Osmose, seriously.

The idea of which Sonic speaks, I am not too down with that, but hey it is an idea. I've heard that there is actually cars that are not even powered by gas nor electricity anymore, but they don't build them, for some kind of secret purpose.

I believe you mean hydrogen cars. And they haven't stopped making them, they're just working on how to mass introduce them to the market. I've only seen them get real publicity twice - when they were first shown as a prototype, and then when the finished "skateboard" design was released.

Basically, they take all of the workings of the car and compress it into a 12 inch tall "skateboard", atop which any design you want, ANY at all, can be put on top. You can literally be driving a minivan one day, and a convertable the next if you change them out.

And Sonic, consider that the "wind" created when you drive(it's not really wind, because it's your movement against the air, not the air's movement against you)  isn't nearly enough to power an engine.

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Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 24, 2005, 08:47:50 AM

What you need is boats with solar panels on top and turbines underneath. As the boat moves is gets energy from the turbine and extra energy from the solar panels. You could also have some wind turbines on there too...

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 24, 2005, 01:38:19 PM

A water fueled car would also be nice. However, water evaporates fast, so it could be a problem.

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Post by: Red Giant on March 24, 2005, 02:55:48 PM

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It'd be neat if we could just use food items as a fuel source. XD Just dump in some apple cores, banana peels, peanut shells and other stuff and you've got a fuel source! XD

Those exist, man. There's a car that runs on vegetable oil. I think it was too inefficient to be practical, though.

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Post by: WarxePB on March 24, 2005, 02:57:58 PM

Or, like in that Simpsons episode, an alcohol-powered car.

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea. Alcohol is pretty easy to obtain, and cheap to do so. I'm not sure how it would do as a fuel, though.

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Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 04:07:02 PM

You can't just make *anything* into a fuel! It's not like you can take water and just invent a water powered engine! *sigh*

You have to be realistic. Gasoline is used in engines for it's highly combustable properties. For those who don't know how engines work, here's a quick summary:

When you first turn the car on, the starter jump starts the engine by getting it staarted, turning the crankshaft (main turning thing, pistons are attached to it) and the camshaft(uses specially placed round parts to push in the intake and outake valves to let air in and out) until they start moving on their own from the combustion.

Now the craknshaft has the pistons attached to it, and the pistions are inside the combustion chamber. The camshaft turns at the right time to allow air from the air box in to the combustion chamber. The Piston moves down, sucking air in as it moves down. Then the intake valve shuts, and the piston moves back up, compressing the air. Then, about a drop or two of gas is shot into the chamber, and at the same time the sparkplug puts out a little spark that ignites the combonation of compressed air and gas to produce an explosion that pushes the piston back.

This is repeated in all the cylinders, hence why a V8 engine would have more power than a V4. The constant explosions are timed at different intervals so that the crankshaft is constantly turning from the force of the explosions. This rotation moves the camshaft(through a timing chain), and also is the rotation that is transferred through the transmission into the front wheels(in four wheel drive), through the drive shaft to the back axel, and into the back wheels.

I don't think we can adapt water to work in an engine like that. But please, explain to me if you have an idea for water that WILL work.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 24, 2005, 06:25:30 PM

I dont really understand engines and all that, but couldnt you use water and heat it up to steam, and let the steam propel the... things. I mean, just the steam alone, without using the gas and creating a spark.

OR use antimatter. It solves everything.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 24, 2005, 06:34:01 PM

Umm... anti-matter destroys matter. There would be no purpose unless your soul intent was to kill everyone, which seems to be your motive anyway.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 24, 2005, 06:49:47 PM

Well, if you could contain an antimatter blast, and direct it one direction, like in the back of a car, it would propel the car to insanely high speed. Kind of like how jet engines contain the gasses that are released on a jet and propel the jet.

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Post by: MSlash67 on March 24, 2005, 06:51:21 PM

I have the solution to motor vehicle fuel alternatives! It's Corn Alcohol also known as MoonShine. It's perfect.

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Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 07:20:28 PM

Except that anyone driving a Moonshine  car wouldn't be fit to drive if the air conditioning is on.

And Asa, they had steam engines a long time ago, but consider, where would you get the heat to steam the water? That would just make it a less efficient electric car.

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Post by: SonicChaos7 on March 24, 2005, 07:26:26 PM

How about I use a moose and shove it into the hood and make it run on a treadmill?

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 24, 2005, 07:26:58 PM

What about using the batteries power to heat the water?

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Post by: MSlash67 on March 24, 2005, 07:31:25 PM

It needs something combustable, my idea was Hydrogen but it is too combustable Example: The Hidenbergh(If you don't know what that is...then shut up!)

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Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 07:44:36 PM

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That would just make it a less efficient electric car.

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I believe you mean hydrogen cars. And they haven't stopped making them, they're just working on how to mass introduce them to the market. I've only seen them get real publicity twice - when they were first shown as a prototype, and then when the finished "skateboard" design was released.

Basically, they take all of the workings of the car and compress it into a 12 inch tall "skateboard", atop which any design you want, ANY at all, can be put on top. You can literally be driving a minivan one day, and a convertable the next if you change them out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4563676/

You people are idiots. I said that and you still ask the same question.

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Post by: MSlash67 on March 24, 2005, 07:48:08 PM

I agree with me being called an idiot, but I prefer the term "Dumbass"

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 24, 2005, 08:33:27 PM

We could start a little fire in the engine...

Let me make sure I understnd this correctly. All you need is something combustable to explode and fuck up the piston thingy, right? So why not have particle accelerators underneath the chamber? The battery could produce partical beams that smash into each other directly underneath each piston. They would combine and condense in that position, creating anti-matter, which would immediatly explode coming in contact with air.

Or, how about placing magnets on each piston, and puting reversed-polarity magnets underneath them, so they move themselves. The battery simply regulates the flow of electro-magnetism.

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Post by: Osmose on March 24, 2005, 08:45:36 PM

The particle accelerator thing isn't going to work and you know that.

As for the magnets, just another inefficient way of wasting the electricity in the battery. It's basically using more energy to turn the crankshaft than the energy an electric car uses.

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Post by: SleepAid on March 24, 2005, 08:52:10 PM

I know someone who has a car that runs on grease. He can go to McDOnalds and get free fuel.

No joke.

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Post by: GaryCXJk on March 24, 2005, 10:59:34 PM

I believe they were once working on a car that runs on alges or something like that. Living organisms which would be dried and then used as fuel. You can just grow them in your car!

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Post by: MSlash67 on March 24, 2005, 11:08:49 PM

I once made a perpetual motion device....then it kinda died :(

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Post by: smokey_locs2002 on March 24, 2005, 11:28:17 PM

Soybeans and corn liquor.

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Post by: dragoninja on March 25, 2005, 12:37:17 AM

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Or, like in that Simpsons episode, an alcohol-powered car.

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea. Alcohol is pretty easy to obtain, and cheap to do so.

I agree mostly, but doesn't Alchohol easily set fire...

Also, Osmose Idea was not too bad either, But don't you think that by doing so the car will move to fast... An airplane cylinder is very powerfull, It'll be difficult to make a weak one too...

As for me, I'm to tired to even think of that now.

hmm... Using a fan could work... Hoovers uses fans to move around, All that is needed is energy for the fan.

Else way, Humans could start doing what our great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great (x10000) did, Namely: Walk... Walking is good for you in all ways... :P  Or you could use a Bike (you live for about 80 years, so don't worry about time)

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Post by: GaryCXJk on March 25, 2005, 08:24:59 PM

Actually, alcohol is just methane with a hydroxy-part attached on one of the four sides.

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Post by: Osmose on March 26, 2005, 12:16:07 AM

Pure alcohol can burn through your tongue.

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Post by: Red XIII on March 26, 2005, 08:20:55 PM

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I saw that too, on TV. The car used regular fuel to start running and used vegetable oil as fuel once running. I heard the guy who made it had some troubles because the engine (this is not the work of a company, it's just a guy who made it) broke down in the beggining. I hope anyone invents something good fast, so we can stop destroying the planet.

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Post by: Weregnome on March 27, 2005, 02:55:50 AM

I have a gr8 idea to save energy and stop the environment from being destroyed!

Wipe out the human race. I'll gladly do it to. Just give me a few seconds to find some warheads....

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on March 27, 2005, 04:47:02 AM

Well, you'd also have to kill cows and every creature that produces methane.

Here's  the plan. We grab a chicken and use it's feathers to make a huge wing for one side of the vehicle then kill another to make another wing. Take out the engine and rewire the car to when you step on the accelerator, it makes the wings flap.

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Post by: Osmose on March 27, 2005, 04:48:54 AM

That.... would require the engine, Rune.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on March 27, 2005, 04:50:44 AM

You just want to kill everything... don't you? We'll put peddals in then.

Also, I'm not some random person either.

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Post by: Osmose on March 27, 2005, 03:36:57 PM

Those..... wouldn't work, either. If you want the wings to work, these have to be 200 pound giant badboys. Try taking a Boeing 747 and using pedals.

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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on March 27, 2005, 04:00:33 PM

It was joke. The whole chicken thing was a joke. I think that we should go back to riding bikes or horses. Then again, not many people could live without cars because people are so dependent on technology.

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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 27, 2005, 05:44:32 PM

Isn't that what GreenPeace is working on? Not that air vehicle thing but saving the environment?

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Post by: dragoninja on March 27, 2005, 10:33:19 PM

I think so... although I know nothing about GreenPeace...

Riding horses is good for your health so... I don't think that would be that much of a problem... exept that a hors only gives birth once a year...

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Post by: Osmose on March 28, 2005, 02:12:23 AM

I remember seeing a few videos of GreenPeace activities. Those guys are like environmental commandos, man! They take over ships, shut down oil drillers, chase down loggers, I'd hate to be caught littering near one of them.

Although I bet they drive cars. :P

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Post by: SaiKar on March 28, 2005, 02:05:27 PM

Hybrid cars are the way to go.  Pure-electric cars are impractical because gas stations do not have plugs for you to plug into, but hybrid cars are great. Driving around actually charges up your battery, so with a little bit of gas you can charge yourself up, then run off electricity until the battery is low. More gas, more charge, more elecricity. It still uses gasoline, but gets ridiculous gas milage.