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Title: Very, very bad news
Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on April 01, 2005, 03:54:38 PM
Here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/01/pope1/index.html)

I'm saddened. It's the biggest news in Europe right now, but a lot of Americans dont seem to care. But I do. It's in God's hands now.
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on April 01, 2005, 04:15:18 PM
It's inspiring that he still does all he can to fulfill his duties even though he's so seriously ill. You don't have to be christian to admire that.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 01, 2005, 04:23:34 PM
I think that its sad.....
catholics are hurting him......
its thier faith thats making him go on,
If all those people did not put thier hope in him, he would naturally give up......
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Post by: Dragonium on April 01, 2005, 04:26:49 PM
We shouldn't think that the people's faith is a bad thing. Faith is a good thing no matter what the issue. I for one respect him, and I know I'm not the only one.
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Post by: WarxePB on April 01, 2005, 04:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by Leon_1990
I think that its sad.....
catholics are hurting him......
its thier faith thats making him go on,
If all those people did not put thier hope in him, he would naturally give up......


You're an idiot. Not every person will naturally give up if no one believes in them. You and half the newbs on Charas might, yes, but the Pope is a better person than you'll ever be.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 01, 2005, 05:04:29 PM
hehhhhhhhh
am no tht bothered anyway *aint religious*
btw, dont call me an idiot for all you know I could be far more intelligent than you shall ever be!!!
I'm not telling people 2 give up thier faith, It's just my views,
which i AM allowed 2 have ya know.....
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Post by: Dragonium on April 01, 2005, 05:11:22 PM
He's a good man to go through with it all. It's not just other people's faith in him, it's his faith in other people. That's what's keeping him going. It's an honourable thing to do.

He's one of the longest serving Pontiffs, and he's only got there because of his faith. That's what being the Pope is all about.
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 01, 2005, 05:14:35 PM
^ see Warxe, THAT should have been your reaction!!!

I admire the fact that he belives so strongly in his faith, but people can't expect him to go through this pain....
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Post by: dragoninja on April 01, 2005, 10:12:51 PM
*snore* If he dies its sad, but everyone dies... not everyone gets credit for it either... The pope is a human like everyone else, When I die the only ones that will care is my family and my friends... but when someone like the pope dies its a far more bigger deal... how come? humans like humans.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on April 01, 2005, 10:21:53 PM
Still, you have to respect his status and commitment to his faith, even if you dont believe in his cause.
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Post by: Razor on April 01, 2005, 10:23:18 PM
I dunno, I've spoken to Warxe before, he's a very intellegent chap.

What's funny is

Pope=Good
Heaven=Good
So why don't they want the Pope to go to Heaven?
PopeHeaven
does it imply Heaven isn't  all it's cracked up to be? Or perhaps the Pope has not been good enough? Strange, since they all highly religious.
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Post by: dragoninja on April 01, 2005, 10:27:16 PM
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Still, you have to respect his status and commitment to his faith, even if you dont believe in his cause.

true... I do feel sad for him, but I think they should let him die in peace... May he rest in peace i say.
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Post by: InsaneJP on April 01, 2005, 10:29:48 PM
the pope is old.....hes sick....i wish the best for him.....grew up named after him too.....John-Paul...hes had a tough enough life growing up and stuff...so i wish the best for him now
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Post by: Osmose on April 01, 2005, 10:31:05 PM
The Pope should be admiried for going through suffering, but not all of his views are that beneficial.

Fun Fact: When a Pope dies, the doctor has to pronounce him dead. Then, the high Cardinal will call out his Christian name three times(In JPII's case, Carol) and then strike him on the head with a hammer, supposedly with the family crest of some family on it, to confirm his death.
 
No joke. NPR tells no lies.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on April 01, 2005, 10:33:45 PM
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Originally posted by Osmose
The Pope should be admiried for going through suffering, but not all of his views are that beneficial.

Fun Fact: When a Pope dies, the doctor has to pronounce him dead. Then, the high Cardinal will call out his Christian name three times(In JPII's case, Carol) and then strike him on the head with a hammer, supposedly with the family crest of some family on it, to confirm his death.
 
No joke. NPR tells no lies.


I'm sure that'll be all over the news soon... *gets VCR ready*
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Post by: Razor on April 01, 2005, 10:35:12 PM
Lol! I wonder how much times this had happened:

Doctor: Time of death... 2:46pm
High Cardinal: Jiminy-Jillikers, Jiminy-Jillikers, Jiminy-Jillikers *thud*
Jiminy Jillikers: OW! WTF YOU HIT MY HEAD FOR!?
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Post by: Revolution911 on April 01, 2005, 10:36:21 PM
i thought you didnt believe in god asakura?  well, everyone dies. it was only a matter of time.          
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Post by: dragoninja on April 01, 2005, 10:39:39 PM
Ok, let's not joke about the pope getting his head cracked like an egg, But yes it is quite funny that thay should wack him with a blunt weapon...
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Post by: SleepAid on April 01, 2005, 10:44:22 PM
That sucks man.

He was one of the first popes that started opening to other religions instead of saying "No, wrong. To hell with you"...

*takes off hat*
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Post by: akira1 on April 01, 2005, 11:04:11 PM
Hmm.....that sucks....Big Time!!!.......
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 01, 2005, 11:15:49 PM
It's really a shame but it's just his time. Although it is weird that a man so close to god, almost his right hand, can die like this. It just feels so weird.
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Post by: WarxePB on April 01, 2005, 11:16:07 PM
...My apologies, Leon. I took offense at your "Catholics are hurting him" comment, and I reacted wrongly to it.

Well, even if he dies, he won't fade. He's done a lot of good things in his life, and he'll be remembered.
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Post by: dragoninja on April 01, 2005, 11:23:05 PM
Agreed
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Post by: BlackIceAdept on April 01, 2005, 11:23:11 PM
good man...

 too bad I'm american (ONLY BY PLACE OF BIRTH!) and do care about this!

and just wondering, did he open up to people like that believe only in there being a great froce and no like set-in-stone god(s/godess[es)
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Post by: Razor on April 01, 2005, 11:25:51 PM
as I said before, shouldn't they be sad that he's dying,  but happy that he's going to God, that guy they love so much, and Heaven, where everything is nice?
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Post by: WarxePB on April 01, 2005, 11:26:25 PM
Uh..... he's the Pope of the Catholic church. But he did respect other cultures and religions.
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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 01, 2005, 11:32:42 PM
He's slowly deteriorating. As good a man as he was, he hasn't much time left in this world. 'Tis a sad thing, but death is inevitable after all.
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Post by: SleepAid on April 01, 2005, 11:37:40 PM
"If you wish to live, then prepare to accept death, for death is part of life"
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Post by: Razor on April 01, 2005, 11:42:09 PM
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"If you wish to live, then prepare to accept death, for death is part of life"

Wow, that's sort of an "OWN3D" quote in itself.
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 01, 2005, 11:54:04 PM
I don't want a new pope, I'm fine with Pope John Paul II, but if he does die, a new cardinal will be made pope and that can mean a whole bunch of changes to the Catholic religion.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on April 02, 2005, 01:13:24 AM
 
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i thought you didnt believe in god asakura?


Believe or not, I still respect the man. And soon, the camerlengo (sp?) will plan the next conclave, no longer than 15 days under and no more than 20 days after the popes death, where every cardinal in the world will attend the funeral, then conclave will decide the next pope.
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Post by: Grandy on April 02, 2005, 01:22:34 AM
 Around here the news are saying he is no agonizing... he is already dead... (thats what the news sais, dunno if its truth or not)
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 02, 2005, 01:23:38 AM
NO! He can't be dead!

EDIT: I just checked and it says he is still clinging to life
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Post by: Grandy on April 02, 2005, 01:27:13 AM
Now, now, we should be happy, (IF he is dead) he is not suffering any pain anymore. He is with God in the heaven. He is in a better place.
 Or he still alive and agonizing with a great amount of pain in his body and the news lied again. That would make sense since its April's Fool... even the news can do (bad) jokes.
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 02, 2005, 01:32:26 AM
That would be a horrible joke, telling everyone that the world's largest religion's leader has died.....
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Post by: Osmose on April 02, 2005, 01:45:10 AM
John Paul II is going to suffer through his death to illustrate salvation through suffering. An he's still alive acording to the news.
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Post by: tyia on April 02, 2005, 02:11:47 AM
This is so sad, I hope he'll keep hanging on.
If not,
 I hope he'll be in peace
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Post by: BlackIceAdept on April 02, 2005, 02:20:44 AM
*sigh* I wish you would all quit...

It's not worth crying about it...

This just is not nearly enough of a death to even earn a tear... just take it as it is...

After all, nothing can be done and nothing can be fixed; as long as time flows free...

And thats all I have to say...
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 02, 2005, 02:25:06 AM
Dude, get some friggen emotions.
This man has been one of the greatest religious leaders and you say him dying is not enough to even shed a tear!!
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Post by: Grandy on April 02, 2005, 02:40:25 AM
 
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Dude, get some friggen emotions.
This man has been one of the greatest religious leaders and you say him dying is not enough to even shed a tear!! .


 Emotions?! God, we still have a war going on, remember?! Instead of crying for someone who is dying for a natural reason, and is in a hospital, he still have the chance of survive. Cry for the iraqians soldier who are being tortured and killed right now! Cry for the ones who still can be saved, but no one care!  Cry for the poor people!
 He is a religious leader in a religion where there should be no ranks, no one be better than another, if you cry for someone like the pope, and you can't cry for some random guy that lived in the street and died last week because he couldn't eat, then you're going against the religion of this leader who is dying right now.
 He is HUMAN, not someone better than us.
 Thats all what I have to say.
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Post by: MSlash67 on April 02, 2005, 02:42:58 AM
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Dude, get some friggen emotions.
This man has been one of the greatest religious leaders and you say him dying is not enough to even shed a tear!! .


 Emotions?! God, we still have a war going on, remember?! Instead of crying for someone who is dying for a natural reason, and is in a hospital, he still have the chance of survive. Cry for the iraqians soldier who are being tortured and killed right now! Cry for the ones who still can be saved, but no one care!  Cry for the poor people!
 He is a religious leader in a religion where there should be no ranks, no one be better than another, if you cry for someone like the pope, and you can't cry for some random guy that lived in the street and died last week because he couldn't eat, then you're going against the religion of this leader who is dying right now.
 He is HUMAN, not someone better than us.
 Thats all what I have to say.


Yes, good point. I pray to God that the war ends soon instead of making a WW3...
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Post by: GhostClown on April 02, 2005, 02:43:38 AM
Yes.. And he has done many great things, the people over there with the Towel Heads are fighting for our country and the Pope has done things for our country also. No one said anything about our army? This is the pope thread. So I suggest making an Army thread if you want.
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on April 02, 2005, 02:48:12 AM
Yeah well I agree with the war thing but Jean-Paul II IS a religion leader. He has many followers and his death will be a huge loss to all his faithful....but in the end another Pope will appear...
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Post by: Grandy on April 02, 2005, 02:57:09 AM
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Yeah well I agree with the war thing but Jean-Paul II IS a religion leader. He has many followers and his death will be a huge loss to all his faithful....but in the end another Pope will appear...


 If Dalai-Lama died yesterday I be no one (but me) would care...
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Post by: Rune_of_Punishment on April 02, 2005, 03:42:16 AM
If he goes, he goes. As bad as this may sound, there really isn't much hope for him. He has little chance of really making it through this, for he is old and his body isn't very strong. He most likely will die.
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Post by: GhostClown on April 02, 2005, 03:51:21 AM
Well, he is 84, pretty old, I'm sure he lived a long and wonderful life.
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Post by: blaze_shinigami on April 02, 2005, 04:04:32 AM
he's dying right now... it's on the news.
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Post by: Osmose on April 02, 2005, 05:55:29 AM
Word on the street is he woke up and was able to write a note.
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Post by: Alex on April 02, 2005, 06:05:47 AM
He is one of the best communicative men ever lived.
He wanted to see his peoples evenif he was very sick.
He tried to talk to them evenif he could not vocally speak at all.
And he pray.

Let's not be sad: if he will survive, we will all be happy.
If not, he will finally meet his "boss".
We can just pray and keep spreading the words he teaches us.
Always.
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Post by: ZeroKirbyX on April 02, 2005, 06:18:41 AM
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He is one of the best communicative men ever lived.
He wanted to see his peoples evenif he was very sick.
He tried to talk to them evenif he could not vocally speak at all.
And he pray.

Let's not be sad: if he will survive, we will all be happy.
If not, he will finally meet his "boss".
We can just pray and keep spreading the words he teaches us.
Always.


That's one of he best ways I've heard it put.
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Post by: GaryCXJk on April 02, 2005, 08:19:03 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
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Post by: Dragonium on April 02, 2005, 08:20:33 PM
Yes, it's just been on the news.

It's very sad, I don't know what to say.

I wonder what will happen next...?
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on April 02, 2005, 08:30:47 PM
It's official.


Der pope ist tot.
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Post by: charaman on April 02, 2005, 08:36:37 PM
poor guy, at least that parkinsons isnt hurtin him no more.
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Post by: Grandy on April 02, 2005, 10:02:42 PM
 It must hurt for the christans... but not for me...
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Post by: SaiKar on April 03, 2005, 06:35:02 AM
Pope John Paul II was a good and admirable man. You don't have to be a Christian to understand that. The stances he took on things, mainly other religions... read your history books and see how many Popes made an effort to reach out to other religions and end the suspicion and hatreds. That kind of view alone is ridiculously radical. You may not understand it here, but he may have taken the few steps along a path that effects billions of people worldwide.

Razor: The "reason" Catholics did not want him to die is because he was such a great man. His death was inevitable and it is good that his pain has been eased, but he was far more useful alive. While they are overjoyed that he is going to heaven, here on Earth he made the Catholic church look a whole lot better.

Even if you don't believe in God, even if you don't believe in organized religion, and even if you are not upset over his passing, at least pretend to show a little respect for a man of his deserved honor.
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Post by: Alex on April 03, 2005, 06:59:10 AM
It hurts everyone.
There was not only christans praying for him.
He finally stopped suffering, this isn't a bad news. Finally he is with that God he always served, which is the God of everyone.
That God which is a presence everyone can feel, no matter if you name it God, Allah, or whatever.

Obviously i'm sad, but i think he did well what he was sent to do in this world. We simply have not to forget what he always tryied to teach us.

You'll always be with us, Karol !!!!
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Post by: Ace of Spades on April 03, 2005, 07:01:16 AM
I don't know why a lot of you guys are arguing...That should be the last thing to be doing at a time like this. Right now should be a time for remembrance of all of the good things that Pope John Paul II did. He was suffering badly, and now, even though it's quite sad, he's in a better place. He can finally rest in peace, and no longer has to suffer. It's just like when my grandmother was dying...There wasn't arguing in that thread, there was sentimacy (which I thank you guys for that, it helped a good bit). I'm not Catholic, but Pope John Paul II was a great man, and will definately be remembered. Everyone should have a small moment of silence for him, whether you're religious or not (just as Sai'Kar said) simply because he was a great man.
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Post by: Razor on April 03, 2005, 10:17:27 AM
Finally, someone replied to me :p
I just found irony out of it is all.


So now he has passed. As well as Terri Schiavo. Now what?
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Post by: shinx on April 03, 2005, 11:02:19 AM
well this is the year the Pope John Paul II die and its on american news i feel so sorry for him man he really was a good guy
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Post by: Leon_1990 on April 03, 2005, 12:37:41 PM
hes released from his pain........
good, his duties are now relinquished......

I actually feel sorry for the guy.....
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Post by: dragoninja on April 03, 2005, 01:01:01 PM
Did he have to die?
Well... yes... he had to move on too...
We will all soon join him, It's just a matter of time...
Let us pray for his soul...

Usually I dun talk like that, but this is a special occation.
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Post by: Red XIII on April 04, 2005, 07:48:28 PM
Hi. My Bro Kinslayer is right here next to me. We followed the Pope's passing through the news.
We are Catholic, and we feel that such a great person like the Pope must be remembered by everyone as one of the great persons of the XX Century.
We, as argentinians, owe him much. In the 70's (Don{t remember the exact year) we were about to go to a useless war with Chile, because of a frontier problem. Thanks to the Pope, that war never happened. He also did what he could to stop the Falklands war, just as with every war that went on during his time. But he did greater things than those, but we remember these because it concerned our country.

We are sorry because he died, because we lost a leader and we won't see him until the Last Day. But at least he stopped suffering and is in Heaven with God...

(By the way, we'd be sorry if the Dalai Lama died too, he is also a great man)
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Post by: Grandy on April 04, 2005, 07:59:38 PM
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Originally posted by SaiKar
Pope John Paul II was a good and admirable man. You don't have to be a Christian to understand that. The stances he took on things, mainly other religions... read your history books and see how many Popes made an effort to reach out to other religions and end the suspicion and hatreds. That kind of view alone is ridiculously radical. You may not understand it here, but he may have taken the few steps along a path that effects billions of people worldwide.

Razor: The "reason" Catholics did not want him to die is because he was such a great man. His death was inevitable and it is good that his pain has been eased, but he was far more useful alive. While they are overjoyed that he is going to heaven, here on Earth he made the Catholic church look a whole lot better.

Even if you don't believe in God, even if you don't believe in organized religion, and even if you are not upset over his passing, at least pretend to show a little respect for a man of his deserved honor.


 Sorry, I wasn't saying it don't hurts for me, I was saying it probably hurts MORE for the christans.
 And yes, he was a good man, but he was also old, and lived a good life...
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Post by: Razor on April 04, 2005, 09:10:20 PM
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Did he have to die?
Well... yes... he had to move on too...
We will all soon join him, It's just a matter of time...
Let us pray for his soul...

Usually I dun talk like that, but this is a special occation.

Dude, your usage of soon makes its sound like you're planning all of our deaths. Creepy, man, creepy.