Ya'll don't make sense

[Ace of Spades]

I would have said this in the "We need more mod staff" topic, but it's locked now; and while this may not require a whole new topic in most of your eyes, it seriously needs to be said. So basically there's a spam problem that's getting out of hand. And the first thing you guys think of to solve this problem is, "Hey you know what we need more active mods to get this spam under control." "Yeah, I agree, we need stricter mods!" Now, while I agree that there are inactive mods and the staff is pretty much snoozing (I am guilty as well) on the job, I feel that you guys kind of aren't thinking this through entirely.

It'd be one thing if this were a forum like GW or something that has a multitude of members, but the fact is we're not. Charas is like a small village, not a big bustling metropolis. That being said, it's not like there's a bunch of random dudes spamming up the place; it's just us. So instead of resorting to "Hey, we need more mods! Yeah that's the problem, inactive modding!" as the main problem, why don't we look at ourselves (Honestly I don't include myself in this because hxc spamming and people just trying to be funny all the time drove me to hardly post these past few.. months) and take accountability for the **** that's been created. You guys are finally sick of the useless spamming? Then do something about it, don't blame us for not handling things over the past few months. Honestly I stopped doing anything because the majority of this community seemed to want that. When I enforced "the law" in my boards, everyone got all pissy about me being some kind of tyrant in there, and no one liked the rules. That's what you guys wanted, and it seems like it happened around the whole forum, so that's what we gave you. And now you're angry that we're not strict, when you guys are the key reason we stopped being strict. So yeah, I just had to speak my mind on this because it's really shitty that the staff is pretty much being blamed for what is actually fault of the members.

Just as I told Zerlina on msn before I posted this, you guys thinking that stricter mods are the best solution to the spam problem is like saying "Hey, I have a drug problem, I need cops to bust me for illegal drug use so that I can break the habit."
Seriously guys, use a little more logic please.

[Ben]

I agree.
But if they figure the stricter mods is going to fix things, I have no problem letting them experience that either.
And the the logical thing, when there is too much spam happens, (being the death of unmod) we get a big load of "waaaaaah"
When in actuality, it was stated upon the conception of unmod, that if the spam spilled into other forums it would be put down.

Its at the point where the subject is nearly played out... But as for things like lilsniffs leaving because of unmod demise (lol)
then perhaps they should realize we arent 4chan.

[coasterkrazy]

I agree, but I hope the only ones you're classifying as "you guys" are the ones who said that. Personally, I didn't even notice we had a spam problem.

[Moosetroop11]

XD You're right Ace, as usual. However, the sea of spam had risen so far up charas' shores that a grand get-together to try and reduce it would have only half worked. We've drastically changed the dynamic of charas and as a result, different people have started posting again. I think it was worth it.

[Ben]

Many of our regular members really had nothing to do with this "campaign" which is a shame. Strangely enough, some of the members campaigning for stricter mods were the very ones doing the spamming.

The average user has nothing to worry about, but i have a feeling some people are bound to get dejected when the bans fly around.
Hence...http://www.charas-project.net/forum/index.php?topic=23509.msg258680;topicseen#new

Strangely, this post was made only hours after his one day ban ended. I cant help but think its not happenstance.

[Zerlina]

I'm with Ace. We don't have to put the fear of the lord into people- it'll make charas less fun. People just have to learn to behave themselves.

[Ben]

But there is still spam from the same handfull of members.
I Have no intention of being an analmarauder to the people who arent doing anything wrong.
But something has to be done about the handfull of people, because they happen to be some of the most active posters.

I honestly think the reason that some people hopped on the bandwagon is because the possibility of sounding responsible and being made moderator motivated them.



Most of you have a pretty good grasp on how to behave. Some of you however, seem to think that Unmod was a right, rather then a privilage.

[Rahl]

I honestly don't want to see any members go, I mean this is all for fun anyway. Some people just have fun other ways like trying to be funny.

[Ben]

nobody needs to go anywhere though. So far the only bans handed out have been a couple of one days.
All that needs to be done is reading the rules, and not breaking them....over and over and over

[coasterkrazy]

Most of you have a pretty good grasp on how to behave. Some of you however, seem to think that Unmod was a right, rather then a privilage.

This is what really irks me. I'm glad you say most of "us" have a pretty good grasp on how to "behave," but come on, "rights" and "privileges?" This isn't a household; it's an internet forum. Perhaps it's just the way you worded that, but it feels like mods to me often become like overbearing parents rather than, well, moderators (save for some). Really, I think the only one who is entitled to throw around words like "rights" and "privileges" is Alex because he owns the site. Yet, strangely enough, he doesn't seem to use them. It's really nothing personal, gem. I like you a lot. I'm talking more about groups in this case. It's as though there's this constant civil war between staff and members, with tides like the ocean where conflicts rise and fall, usually with the staff quelling a problem one way or another. However, I find it silly. Members may complain, yet then threads like this pop up with staff complaining right back (though this doesn't mean I don't agree with Ace's opinion here).

To me, there are only two ways to slice it:
1. You allow looser rules, and thus have more membership with more spam.
2. You create stricter rules, and thus create a sort of elitist forum where anyone who steps out of line is banned or severely punished.

Personally, I prefer the former. I didn't see any problem with the way things were going, but yes, some people decided to complain. But then, some people will always complain. I think sometimes it might be best not to give in though, which means, yes, sometimes the public doesn't know what's good for it.

I would say restore unmod, and let thread creators decide the fate of their threads. If they allow it to become a bunch of spam, then it will be moved to unmod. If they don't want it becoming a pile of spam but can't control it, then they can contact a mod. Then, this is the case where a mod would intervene.

I just hate mod-member relationships being like parents and children. I don't think it works that way on the internet. Can anyone point out where I'm wrong here?

[Meiscool-2]

Regardless as to if there is a link between the amount of spam people have been posting and the inactivity of some of this site's mods, there still stands the fact that the inactive mods need to be replaced.

I agree that people should change themselves rather than have people change them, but I seriously doubt that Osmose is considering promoting more people to moderator just because of a spam issue; he's more sensible than that.

Aside from that, saying that unmod is a privilage is the most power hungry thing I've ever heard you say. It is practially the same thing as you saying "Having a place where you can say whatever you want without reprocussions is a privilage." Some might agree to that statement, but I personally think that freedom is a right that isn't given, but taken away. Unmod was made so that off topicness could be 'quarantined' and kept away from topics that people want kept serious, not as a 'gift' to us.
Your little superiority complex is rather annoying Mr Mod.

EDIT - I didn't read your post until after I posted, but I agree with you Coasty.

[Ben]

I understand my words coming off as condescending, and I gotta apologise. I do feel like a douche for my word choice.

We really did have a loose staff policy regarding spam and off topicness. And then it was voiced ever blatantly, that the members were fed up with it.  Now it is being voiced that they wish the slack stance on things. Personally, I preferred the looser method of things, but the terms of unmod were not upheld, and there was public outrage about the spam issues.

The issue was never spam in Unmod. It was the spam typical of Unmod finding its way into AoA, The Gallery, and other forums

thing is about Unmod, is  It was created by the administrators, as a means to try and solve the problem of Spam and flaming. Obviously it was a quick patch job, and in the end it didnt work. My closest friends on charas are not other staff. If I remember correctly it was a couple of members who originally stated that the staff was doing a crappy job. And now, a few days later, weve got a bunch of seperation and a big fat proverbial wall between members and staff apparently, which perhaps due to my own ignorance, i honestly didnt think existed prior.

 I have no contempt for anyone here, with the exception of the people that put me into the position of having to use the one-day-ban button.
I dont particularly wish for people to see me as some asshat modstaff, but when 30% of somebodys 2500 post count is suddenly

sigh

or

Mm... perky...

and then suddenly we're reprimanded by the members for not nipping it in the bud... then obviously I am expected to do my job as a forum moderator...Even if it means having to be strict for a couple of weeks until things die down.

Nobody ever said unmod was dead forever. It was shut down to try and figure out a way to get direction back to the forum.



But really.....Make up your mind charas.


So yeah, I apologize for my poor word choice....It wasnt my intent to sound power hungry. But the whole thing was created under the stipulation that Unmod was not to be abused, and that if shennanigans leaked out into the forum at large, that it would be shut down.

[Ace of Spades]

let thread creators decide the fate of their threads. If they allow it to become a bunch of spam, then it will be moved to unmod. If they don't want it becoming a pile of spam but can't control it, then they can contact a mod. Then, this is the case where a mod would intervene.

So basically with this, mods wouldn't intervene at all unless notified by the thread creator?

[Fortet]

Ace, I agree with the above statement to an extent, so really, that would be impossible.
Most members don't read every single thread (I don't). So if the thread creator doesn't contact a mod about the (insert problem here), then nothing gets done. That either leaves complete and total responsibility to the creator or the mod would have to read every single post of every single thread.

Then again, maybe I'm reading this wrong. Looking at it a slightly different way, even if the mod notices the off-topic posts and the like, they can't do anything unless the creator asks. Therefore, the only need of the mod would be to delete posts or hand out warnings to members at the whim of the creator, making regular members more powerful than staff (theoretically).

Really, there's no perfect system, but we've got to make due with what we can. Honestly, I'm not sure which "side" to take in this "quarrel", but both have valid arguments.

[Linkforce]

Ace you took the words right out of my mouth.  I couldn't agree more!