9/11

[drenrin2120]

For the record, I posted that before you posted yours shino. It told me someone had posted before hand, but I just posted it anyway. I'm not some crazy anarchist, I believe cops are necessary and have nothing against them. I also have nothing against soldiers because they are just like me or you or anybody, they're just people. And there's a BIG difference between the country being invaded and shady wars fought on foreign soil for shady reasons. If this country was seriously invaded, my attitude would be completely different. I think you're reading me wrong.

[Almeidaboo]

Oh no Meis, that's not what I meant at all.

See, everytime you "feel" or is actually attacked, it's a natural reaction to that that you attack your attacker (or run in fear). Same thing happens when you meddle into matters. The USA have interfered in many situations that were unfair, and that's absolutely true (WW 1, WW 2...). But, for instance, financing Israel in their fight against Palestine (sp?) is not right, not just for a justice matter, but because it will also generate hatred against the USA, and another attack to you may happen.

Also, the Iraq invasion is completely wrong. That will generate hatred towards the USA, and another attack may happen. It's pretty much like action-reaction dicotomy.

Obviously, at any slight sight of unfair agression we would help as well (as we did in WWII), although I don't really know how much help we could provide -.-' Water, maybe :\ That's not the point, though. The "will" we don't have is exacly what USA has too much.

EDIT: Rev say some true there too. Sorry, I see it from a neutral pov, you may not agree, but take it in consideration at least.

Another thing. I'm really glad that I did not see any kind of blind patriotism or nationalism here. Show that everyone's growing aware, and that the generations to come will change stuff. Maybe this tension that we got worldwide will go away...

[Archem]

Thank God someone said something more controversial than what I said. I really didn't care to defend myself today (no sleep and all that).

[Meiscool-2]

Well jeeze, I just keep misunderstanding everything you post Almeida.

[ZeroKirbyX]

**** you guys and you're ****ing drama. This isn't something that should be a discussion. Don't think it's necessary? Then shut up. Want to say something in respect? Do it. People need to shut the **** up about "Oh. Americans. I'm not American so it doesn't matter. Allow me to say this in giant ****ing paragraph form." This isn't some kind of thought oppression so shut up if you even think that. Leave whatever note you want, and begone. But don't go about disrespecting the people that died. I'm not going to pull "9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING" but goddamn, it did. On a global scale it escalated the conscious awareness of terrorism, something that many countries had been dealing with on their own with no outside interest.

I don't really feel like reading 4 damn pages, so those are my thoughts on the very first.

[Prpl_Mage]

I'm just gonna write, this isn't directed at anyone.

Saying that the attack of 9/11 wasn't provoked is just bullshit, I'm sorry but it's the truth. USA keep supporting Israel, with more military help every year. I know, that Israel isn't exactly the loved or loving neighbor of the middle-eastern countries. So I don't blame them for holding a grudge against america. And USA did went to Iraq during the gulf wars, dessert storm and those things. Do USA expect them to appreciate that? It's pretty common that you'll hold a grudge against a country that invades you and destroys your society.

And Bush's fancy little speech about al-quida hating the "American freedom and democracy" was answered by a message saying "If we indeed hate freedom and democracy then let the president answer why we didn't attack a country like scandenavia?"

And what happened after 9/11? America sends a lot of people to Afghanistan and more or less blow the entire place up "in search for Usama bin Ladin", what about the people? USA had, planes dropping bombs and all that ****, USA didn't just hit the "extremnists".
And then USA went to Iraq as well and accused them for having nukes? As Al said, no nukes were found. And saying that USA went to Iraq for the terrorists, that's just low. If USA went there for the terrorists, why did they hang Iraq's leader Sadam Hussein?
USA left a country without a working lead and tries to "help it" being rebuilt, do USA expect people to bomb themselves if they really wanted USA's help? Certainly not. It's not helping the people.

The countries of the middle-east have many more reasons to hate USA now, it was just a jihad form a certain group but as they said in that movie Team America "America managed to piss off the entire world again".
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This is, no offense to the people of USA, just the goverment.

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The people of USA, of course I respect the dead, but my post was more about how we're still expected to remember and respect the dead of 9/11 and not the Tsunami victims.
We lost people in the Tsunami, We lost Swedes in the Tsunami. One(1) Swede was at the World trade center during the attack.
See how this doesn't work? I know you don't care for us Swedes, we are just a dump of **** on the world map huh? Just another lapdog.
But when we are expected, by your goverment to have this quiet minute for the dead of 9/11 and even have the nerve to say "make it 4 minutes since it was so tragic" and yet, during the Tsunami, we were asked if we wanted to have 1 minute, and those were our people.
Many dead, many missing. Families having to stay home in sweden and waiting to find out if their relatives were alive or not. Your accident was in your own country. We didn't know what happened down there in Thailand.
Sure, you don't care much for Thailand or the people of Thailand, but not caring about those dead and then calling everyone else 'respectless' who states that they "weren't that affected by 9/11" is wrong. That's the one main grudge I have against those kinds of americans. Those who expects symphaty from all the other countries but doesn't give it back.

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And yes, 9/11 was good for anti-terrosits, but explain why our goverment had to finance with so much money(from our view) while we've had 0 attacks from terrorists. We are the ****ing country where the refugees go when a country invades another.
We are the country that have to clean up the mess others leave behind.
We are neutral, and yet we are forced to follow USA goverment like dogs. They send that Ms.Rice person and a week later our govement decides that we should get a computer here that will read what we are writing in text messages, chatrooms, msn, phone calls and such. Why? The goverment said "To stop eventual terrorist attacks and orginazed crime."
We are the land of freedom, no one got a single reason to bomb us, we take thier people for God's sake.
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My condolences to relatives of 9/11 victims and I'm sorry for even being missunderstood so this thread became 4 pages to those who were there.

[Razor]

Tragedy: 9/11
Bigger tragedy: This thread

[Meiscool-2]

Hey, you, Prpl. All the people that died in the Tsunami... yeah. That was provoked though, so it doesn't matter. Cuz theys like didn't worship that big glowing thing in the sky and didn't give annual sacrafices to the water fairy.

[Almeidaboo]

Well jeeze, I just keep misunderstanding everything you post Almeida.

Sorry, sometimes I feel troubled to make myself clear...I may know the grammar and stuff, but I'd need to live there a while to get used to the way people say things for real...

[Archem]

Yeah...This thread went pretty much exactly where I was hoping it wouldn't go.

Protip: Never talk about 9/11 or anything too terribly United States-related on the internet. It always leads to... Well, this.

[Meiscool-2]

No, what lead to the downfall of this thread were the people who started saying "Screw 9/11, there are more important things that we should be remembering".

If they wanted to have a moment of silence for the Tsunami victims, they should've made their own topic about it rather than attempting to undermind this one.

[fruckert]

No, what lead to the downfall of this thread were the people who started saying "Screw 9/11, there are more important things that we should be remembering".

If they wanted to have a moment of silence for the Tsunami victims, they should've made their own topic about it rather than attempting to undermind this one.

Truer words have never been spoken

[Razor]

I don't know, I think Archem has a point.

Look at just about every other topic about the US on Charas. This ALWAYS happens.

[Moosetroop11]

I think the biggest issue here is that the true reason to remember 9/11 is exactly the reason they wanted to attack america in the first place. 9/11 was terrible because it sent the message that no-one was safe from terrorism, no matter how powerful or rich you are, and that message will last for many many years.

In short, the only winners are the terrorists.

[Archem]

Well duh. The instant they pull off a successful attack, they win. There's no way of erasing the actions. The whole point is to cause as much damage to human life and symbolic property as possible while spending as little money as possible. Once it's done, the message is sent, and the game has ended. The aftershock and future events won't fix it. It's like bleach.