Economic Recession

[Ace of Spades]

Wow.

1) Clinton wasn't a good president, he just so happened to be in office when the industry of IT boomed, which helped the US economy a shitload. And Clinton himself wasn't the reason for this, it was companies, because you know, the whole concept of how the US works is competition.

2) IT was the big industry in the last decade, but now it's not. There isn't one anymore.

3) About 30 years ago moms and dads told their kids "Don't be like us, get a college education, you'll have a much better life this way, rather than working in a factory."

4) Because of this, America more or less said **** industry and the only reason things stabilized was the industry of IT

5) Because IT is everywhere now, and there isn't any industry in the US because it all moved overseas, the employment here is ****ing terrible
    a) another big reason for industry moving overseas was due to all the regulations and expense put on by the EPA. Factory CEO's pretty much said ****
        this, I can establish another factory in some other country for less money, and not have to worry about the EPA riding our ***.
    b) ironically enough, these industries were in fact established in other countries and in many there aren't any environmental regulations. so the environment is being   fucked anyway, and the US lost a big chunk of $ because of this

6) Democrats think it's smart to tax the rich. I myself am middle class, and yeah it'd be great to have tax cuts. But think about it. $250k+ salaries = Corporations. People are stupid, they don't realize that "The Big Bad Corporations" are essentially the foundation of this ****ing country. It's an elementary principle: Company is established in region, people brought to region for work, people brought to that region need shelter and resources, housing occurs, supermarkets for wants and necessities are built which also bring in more people for jobs, then shopping centers which bring in ppl, etc etc until a community is established. If these companies are taxed up the ***, they're gonna give this country the middle finger and leave. Know what happens then? Those communities turn into **** holes. I know this, I live in the suburbs of Cleveland. There's a big Chevy and Ford plant in another suburb even nearer to Cleveland, and if that place shuts down, that suburb is gonna be the next inner Cleveland.

7) The price of gas has actually decreased $1+ per gallon here, and as cool as people think that is, it's not good at all. Because the US economy is in a shithole, people don't want to spend money. This is hurting the economy, and even entertainment has become a lot less important. People are buying gas for pure necessity, they fill up the tank to go to and from work and do some shopping every now and then, but that's it. So Oil Companies are like oh ****, the demand for gas has decreased. Lower the prices so people will buy it more often. Low demand = lower prices. Wow, big ****ing surprise that is! They haven't decreased because of the elections, frankly the executive nor legislative branch in the US have power over this. So to the people who say gas prices increased because of Bush, go to ****ing school, the goverment didn't have anything to do with it.

So, because there isn't industry and no jobs here, the economy has faltered. And on top of this, over the years people decided to buy houses that were way over what they could afford. Why was this allowed? Well that great guy Clinton that you all seem to like so much, and Democrats along with him, were all "Hey! Everyone should be able to buy a house, regardless of their credit!" So what happened? A bunch of douchetards were given loans by banks and couldn't pay them off. That money doesn't come from trees, and it put a huge dent in our economy.

9) There're only a few ways to get out of this recession. One way is taxing, but nobody wants more taxes. Another is spending, but because we're in a recession people are holding onto their money. The biggest thing that could help us is a new type of industry that brings in more employment. And with both candidates thinking that the one thing that could create another industry (this being the research and development of new forms of energy) should be a gov't operation just as the Manhattan Project was, I don't see this happening. And that's not good, because with the employment rate sinking and people being scared to buy ****, we're well on our way into a depression.

And if this is all tl;dr to you, then read this next part as it's the most important.
Obama = more goverment. McCain = not as much. Wanna know what more goverment means? It means less freedom. It means a bunch of rich people making decisions for you. It means going to the supermarket and seeing some of your favorite cereals with this awesome blue label that says "Now with whole grain guaranteed! And 99% less sugar!" It means Trix cereal changing into these little tasteless, boring little ****ing balls rather than a bunch of cool fruit shapes that made me have fun while eating as a kid. It means good tasting food is gonna taste like ****, because the government has mandated that good food should taste shitty because good food causes weight gain. What the ****? This doesn't solve obesity, fat people are just gonna eat more and more food. Fat people like to eat. And this is a free country, they should be allowed to eat. Now that the government has mandated all these damn regulations on good tasting food, not only are fat people affected, but I'm affected too. I'm not fat, but I sure as hell liked it when I took a spoonfull of Trix cereal and it was this awesome tasting amazingness in my mouth. Now it's like cardboard. What the ****!? I want my good tasting food back. This has probably affected the economy too! Since a bunch of food is being changed to taste like ****, nobody wants to buy it anymore! See? This is why more government is bad.

Btw, I'm not republican or democrat. And frankly both candidates kinda suck. Obama's just some faggot who talks in circles and forces various forms of the media to deep throat his dick. McCain is a war hero, and God knows I have the utmost respect in him. But I dunno. I'm definitely not voting for Obama though.

And btw btw, to the dude who said "Other countries will help the US, maybe even lend us money." Bull-****ing-****. Don't you know history? People refer to America as this big evil empire in the past century, right? Remember the Roman empire? Remember how a bunch of other countries probably felt the same way about the Roman Empire? Remember how Rome got itself into a really big economical and civil crisis and ultimately collapsed on itself? Remember how the Barbarians took advantage of this and moved in to take over? Yeah. It's not like countries just forgot about being occupational. The US is a damn good place for resources, probably one of the best in fact. No doubt other envy this, and no doubt there isn't someone just waiting for the opportune moment to move in and take the prize.

[Dragonium]

Btw, I'm not republican or democrat. And frankly both candidates kinda suck. Obama's just some faggot who talks in circles and forces various forms of the media to deep throat his dick. McCain is a war hero, and God knows I have the utmost respect in him. But I dunno. I'm definitely not voting for Obama though.

Let's all vote for the cranky old man who keeps playing the "I'm a war hero and my second in command is a woman" card to garner the support of the proletariat, and wants to invade Iran and take over their oil fields because that will solve all America's problems.

By all means vote McCain and call Obama a faggot for wanting to negotiate instead of flinging napalm about, but don't come crying to the rest of the world when 9/11 gets a sequel.

[Ace of Spades]

By all means vote McCain and call Obama a faggot for wanting to negotiate instead of flinging napalm about, but don't come crying to the rest of the world when 9/11 gets a sequel.

Negotiating only works when it's a mutual effort. You think Ahmadinejad is gonna be like "Oh, okay Mr. Obama sir, I won't attack Saudi Arabia because you asked so nicely. Here, have some cookies and tea while you're here." What kind of twisted fucked world do you live in? He hates Saudi Arabia, he's had many "Death to Saudi Arabia" speeches, and since America is a really good ally of SA, we're an enemy to Iran. There is no negotiating. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. In this case, that enemy is Iran, and that friend to the Saudi Arabians is the US.
I think that's what most people are missing. America isn't worried about Iran having nuclear technology to protect its own ***, we're worried that Iran will use it to destroy Saudi Arabia. And there's a lot of evidence, much of which comes straight from the horse's mouth, that they will do so. Seriously though, if there's another war it won't be with Iran. The bigger problem at the moment is Russia and its Putonist regime who seek to bring back the old Soviet Union and become "Mother Russia" again.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Politics on Charas.

Gay, seriously. We're all to drama inclined.

[Meiscool-2]

The saddest thing is that neither of you get to vote.

I do, but you guys don't.

[Archem]

I'm not registered. That's the best way to make a difference in this election.

[ZeroKirbyX]

I'm registered. Go me.

[Drace]

...since America is a really good ally of SA...
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In this case, that enemy is Iran, and that friend to the Saudi Arabians is the US

I don't want to nag or anything, but what you're saying with that is not right. You're saying that Saudi Arabia is an ally and an enemy. Confusing.

Also got to disagree with the rest of your post. Negotiatons can help a lot. To me, it sounds stereotypical American what you are saying, and that is bad.

Also, and note that I don't know much about American presidents, but even if Clinton wasn't a great president, he did not do it as bad as Bush Junior AND Bush Senior. The only time America was in an economical rise in the last three presidentships was during Clinton his time and that can possible not only because of this IT company.

[drenrin2120]

I honestly hate both candidates, McCain more than Obama for being a prick, but they both suck just as much. Someone said it perfectly a couple pages back, politicians aren't people. Sarah Palin's a tool, McCain AND Obama look like Puppets and Joe Biden... Well you never really hear anything about him.

[Archem]

Someone said it perfectly a couple pages back, politicians aren't people.

Yeah, that was me. I think I'm working my way into being one of the most quotable people on The Charas.

[Meiscool-2]

Meh, I wish so badly that Al Gore had won.

[Ace of Spades]

I don't want to nag or anything, but what you're saying with that is not right. You're saying that Saudi Arabia is an ally and an enemy. Confusing.

Haha I know, I just watched an old episode of Stargate SG 1 where the Mayan god (who is an alien) says "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." I had a feeling it wouldn't make sense but I couldn't resist throwing it in there. :p
And in regards to other stuff you and other people said, meh, I'm bored with debating politics right now.

[Osmose]

I don't have the energy to talk about the rest of the wall of text above, but the one thing is that taxing the rich isn't a bad thing at all. Greedy people who get tax cuts and flourish in their business will continue their greedy ways and bend over the poor to fill their pockets. Capitalism works based on competition for success, but as of now, the elite have no competitors. They even get boatloads of money and government intervention when they break down because they've become so secure in their existence.

The idea is that taxing the rich grabs money from people who have too much of it. Will businesses be hurt and suffer by tax increases? Perhaps. That only forces them to become more competitive, to innovate and persevere instead of rotting in the comfort of their solid gold thrones.

One of the biggest common beliefs in the US is that someone coming from difficulty can be more successful in all situations and more adaptable than someone who came from an extravagant life. Hence why candidates try to push the blue collar working man stereotype in their speeches so much. If this is really true, why do we pamper the huge corporations instead of forcing them to stay on their toes?

[Emerates]

The only smart vote is the Nader vote, because you can trust a man that's been running for the last 5 elections or so and has never won.  Seriously, though.  Vote for Nader.  The least evil of all parties involved, hehe political pun.

Also, McCain wants a draft, as I heard.

[ZeroKirbyX]

I'm not scared of a draft. Most every other global nation has one, and we had one for 200 years.