F*** yea

[Felix-0]

If someone wants to buy it for me. So for it :3

[Archem]

Buy it for you? The individual games from The Orange Box are $20 a piece (and usually containt extra games). Hell, I think The Orange Box itself has dropped to about $20. Buy it yourself; it's not expensive.

People tend to debate mods but all it does is add content to a game. That's all. They are the elitist (the always serious, no fun guys who you must wonder why they even care to play games in the first place) minority anyhow.

Actually, mods are full-on games. Custom content might be what you're referring to (skins, models, sounds, etc.). Mods, like Insurgency, Portal: Prelude, Poke646, Zombie Panic!, and others are usually full games that simply require that you own a game that uses the engine and resources that they're borrowing. If I didn't know the Source engine as well as I do, I might not know that the recently released NEOTOKYO° was even made using Half-Life 2.

But hey, I'm an elitist who is far too serious about these things to enjoy my games. What good are my words?

[Felix-0]

I don't know where to buy them Eh.
I give up.

[Darkfox]

Believe it or not Archem, there exists a class of people who are extremely anti-mod and will troll you for being a modder.

I don't know where to buy them Eh.
I give up.

Pssst, by the way, Unreal's source code was released and so was Doom's. Know what that means... >.>

[Felix-0]

Balls of steel?

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

inert?

[Darkfox]

Balls of steel?

...that would have worked if I said "Duke Nukem". Nah, I'm just saying the games are public.

[Felix-0]

Oh, thats all in good

[Archem]

Believe it or not Archem, there exists a class of people who are extremely anti-mod and will troll you for being a modder.

That's mostly console games, since modifying the content breaks the EULA, is almost always a form of cheating, and is something that deserves to be trolled. In PC gaming, mods are usually a good thing. Most online games have some form of cheat detection that will prevent modifications to an otherwise standardized game that would give a player an upper hand (larger hitboxes, enemy player info, etc.). These are considered cheats, not mods. You seem to be a bit misinformed.

[Darkfox]

XD I am 100% not misinformed in this matter. Your not understanding me. Perhaps I'm not being very clear. There are people around who shun ANY form of PC game mods, even if to add content and non-cheating. They call this a "slap in the face to the game designers". I don't know where this crap started but this is the people of whom I refer. They are a minority, but it increased somewhat recently.

This definitely exists. They don't care what KIND of mod it is, they just say it is "wrong" and "most mods are lame anyways". :\ Seriously, these people exist, they've buggered me before. I don't make cheat mods either to PC games. If anything I made them harder.

But to clarify, there are people, and on some boards the dominant group, that hate any and all mods, period, unless made by the maker of the game. Yeah. :\

Edit: I think their class is called Vanilla Gamers or something, not entirely sure. They believe in playing games only in their pure unmodified state, the only exceptions they will make is OFFICIAL addons. And there are zealot versions that will hunt you down and harass you for being a modder.

Edit 2: And I apologize for being nonspecific. I didn't mean to target anybody here.

[Archem]

This entire post was created before additions to the source post were made. Some elements may be invalidated or appear awkward as a result. No modifications will be made to the original post, since I may get hunted down by The Wrongest of the Wrong.

Oh. They must be extremely closed-minded and numbering in the hundreds world wide. Never heard of such a ridiculous thing, especially since almost all developers these days started with modding. It's almost necessary. Hell, custom maps for games are included in this! If you try to apply to a development studio as a mapper, but have no portfolio because you believe that making custom content for a game with provided tools and encouragement from the developers to Make Something Unreal* is immoral, then you'll get rejected outright. After all, any commercial game that's made with a game engine or resources that aren't created in-house is just a professional mod (this includes sequels that use recycled content, expansion packs, or anything that uses a popular game engine, such as Bioshock, Left4Dead, and Rainbow 6). These people are about as wrong as humanly possible, and by even mentioning them in any form of argument, you don't exactly help yourself.

* The Make Something Unreal contest is an annual competition hosted by Epic and various computer hardware/software companies that task various independent development teams to create the best game mod possible using the current version of the popular Unreal Engine series. Prizes include large cash awards (up to $1 million) advanced computer hardware, and employment at game studios (this isn't an official prize, but participants get noticed in the industry).

[Darkfox]

I wasn't arguing. I was making note of an annoyance I've had to deal with as a modder.

[Archem]

I'm not arguing, either. Well, mebe a little, but not necessarily with you.

More like against the points you're raising. You're not full of holes, they are.

[HobomasterXXX]

I don't know where to buy them Eh.
I give up.

Download Steam. You don't even need to go to a store (although you can if you are stupid and want to pay extra).

[Uberpwn_w00t]

Download Steam. You don't even need to go to a store (although you can if you are stupid and want to pay extra).

Yadood.
1. Download Steam
2. Get Orange Box from online store
3. ???
4. Profit