Pokemon X and Pokemon Y - October 2013

[oooog]

I don't think anyone can transfer their Pokemon yet.  I may be mistaken though, but the Bank and Transporter aren't set for release until the 25th of December, and the 27th for us on the western front.

I can already foresee Aegislash becoming a regular, even overused Pokemon (see Weavile, Blissey, Garchomp, etc.), so having knowledge on how to fight one beforehand will be beneficial.  Right now my team is only half complete, as I'm waiting for certain safari's to open up for me. Also have to rack up a little BP, but that shouldn't be more than an hours work.

[daoman89]

Interesting team. I have like 20 or so in black 2 eager to go to the bank lol.  My favorite might be Strife, aka Scizor female. Shes my girl.

[DragonBlaze]

It's hard to care about coming up with good strategies when you just decimate every enemy in the game without an effort...

[daoman89]

I was hoping for a hard mode like they did with post game black 2, except.... from the start.  It'll probably happen with pokemon Z when they add all the major extra awesome ****. 

Does anyone have a Bulletproof Chespin they're willin' to trade?  Isaac is nv online for me to find a wild Quilladin when I'm on so I might as well just ask here lol

[oooog]

I think I have a Bulletproof Chespin somewhere.

In regards to decimating everything with ease in the main game, there are steps you can take to add a little challenge to the game without going out of your way.  While playing, I personally never used healing items in battle, had my battle type as set, and the most important thing was to turn off EXP Share.

In regards to tournaments, my particular circle of friends have agreed upon a certain hybrid of rules using both the official Pokemon rules, as well as those from Smogon.  There have been a few amendments what with the addition of Mega evolutions.

[daoman89]

I dont mind being competitive, but some ppl just think theres only a couple of ways a pokemon should be used and its like shut up and have fun haha.

[oooog]

I would disagree to some extent.  I agree, play to have fun and do what you want to do, but it is a fact that Pokemon can be played only a certain amount of ways efficiently.  The competitive advice is there to show you that Charizard makes a hell of a lot better sweeper than a wall.

If any of you were wondering, I'm going to toss this in here.

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Our tournament rules are thus:

Duplicate clause
Item clause
Sleep clause

And here's where it gets complicated.  We allow the three semi-legendaries of every generation, as well as the dragon.
Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Dragonite, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Tyranitar, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Metagross, Salamence, Azelf, Uxie, Mesprit, Garchomp, and whatever the White and Black ones were (didn't really pay much attention to that generation.)

This is because the official Pokemon tournament rules allow for Garchomp, because it evolves at 49.  If you compare it's base stats with the other Dragons, you will find that they are equal, but Garchomps evolves early so it's in their under 50 rule.  However, when you examine these Dragons base stats, you will notice they equal a total of 600.  Take a look at one of the three legendary birds or dogs.  Go on, I'll wait.  Click on that link down there.

http://www.psypokes.com/bw/basestats.php

...

You will notice that their total stats are only 580!  Crazy right?  These legendary Pokemon are weaker than the dragons.  Therefore, they are allowed (in our rules.)  However, you may only use one.  If you decide to build a sandstorm team, you are advised to use Tyranitar or Garchomp, but you cannot use both.

Essentially the only banned Pokemon are:
Mewtwo, Mew, Ho-oh, Lugia, Celebi, Latios, Latias, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Jirachi, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Arceus, Shaymin, Tornadus, Thundurus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Landorus, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect, and the legendary 6th gen Pokemon.

Now, you may have noticed there are a few Pokemon in there that have 600 or less base stats, making them equal to the dragons.  oooog, why wouldn't they be allowed?  Well, I believe they should be allowed personally, though popular opinion when these rules were formed voted in favor of banning, so they're banned.  I've no problem with using say Darkrai, for it is within the confines of the dragon clause, but alas, I may have organized the tournament, but I've stepped down as 'leader' and we have a full democracy thing going on where my say has no more power than my peers.

All of this because Garchomp is allowed.  If Garchomp was disallowed then this process would be a whole lot simpler.

Note 1: I'm aware Metagross is not dragon type, that's just what we refer to that tier of Pokemon.

Note 2: Slaking may have a base stat of 670, but it's ability is what makes it legal.  If you're willing to use the Mismagius strategy and effective sacrifice a slot to make it usable, than by all means.

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You may call it silly, but in all of the official and unofficial tournaments, these rules allow for the most creativity in team building while keeping things balanced.

[daoman89]

Oh my god you'd be an idiot if you made charizard a wall lol.  I've encountered some Prehistoric Form or whatever its called Landorus before.  It was so unfair.  And for whatever reason one time a Tyranitar was faster than my Jolteon, which made no sense.  So does this new fairy type have any effect on the rules with the dragons?  Anyways, the rules are fair enough.  I have no complaints. 

But i do have one VERY important question.  What are your punishments for quitting in a fight?  Not forfeiting, but disconnecting.  Idk how you do these tournys, but when people disconnected on me when i was doing rating battles that **** would piss me off because you wouldn't get the win and they wouldn't get the loss.  But i doubt you guys have Nintendo keep track of ratings, but still...

Competitive battling is a lot of fun.  It relies on your personal skill, your ability to get into your opponents head, and of course luck.  Luck plays a big part whether it's picking the correct 3 pokemon (depending on how you're playing) and the amount of critical hits or dodges etc you manage to get during a battle.  You've gotta know your Type Chart and you've gotta know what tricks a pokemon might have up its sleeve.  Now we have Mega Evolutions and a new Dragon crippling type... The god-damn fairies.  We have the addition of a couple terrain moves.  If your fairy isn't capable of taking down the dragon all the way, change the terrain and weaken it.  This would be Misty Terrain.  Bye bye status effects and 50% of a dragons power (unless you're flying).  We have a pokemon that can change you into a ghost type and a grass type and burn you to bits.  The amount of strategies now is insane and when competitive battling really starts to kick off, it's going to be chaotic (in a good way).  Well enough rambling from me.  Maybe I'll battle some random ppl for a little bit.

[oooog]

Well, to be honest most of our tournaments thus far have been in person, so there hasn't really been an issue of the disconnecting.  Playing against people online is a completely different story because to some our rules may seem broken, and to others they may seem lax.  There's no way (to my knowledge) to enforce these rules on other people.  I may encounter someone who spent days building their team only to have it thrashed by my Moltres and call that cheap.  I may have spent weeks building a team and have it torn apart by a team of nothing but Mewtwos.  These things happen.

Incidentally, we haven't had any concrete rules established, but the consensus is that Mega Evolutions of Charizard, Blastoise, Squirtle, Scizor, Pinsir, etc. count as dragons.  Mega Tyranitar, Aggron, Garchomp, etc. are banned.  Also Kangaskhan.  It's ability, are you freaking kidding me?!

[daoman89]

Yeah, all of you are in a "fist punch to the face" space away lol.  Mega Aggron, Chompster and Tyranitar actually have base stats of 700, which are equivalent to fused Kyurem.  You probably already know this, but Kangiskhan's ability doesnt do double damage, i think it's like 1.5.  I'd have to read into that more.  But yeah, it's still strong as hell.

I did do 2 rating online battles last night for fun.  I was 1 and 1.  Lost the first one.  It was actually a close match.  The 2nd one i obliterated with my Aegislash.  3 to 0.  Took out Scizor, Tyrantrum and then Mega Lucario. 

I was going to train up a Malamar, but idk how good it actually is since its base stats add up to only 482.  It's major threat being bugs and minor threat being a fairy.  It's about average I guess.  Top 291/300.  It seems like it can be evil with Psych Up, Topsy Turvy with the Contrary ability.   

[oooog]

Kangaskhans ability doesn't necessarily improve it's attack power, it makes it so that it can attack twice (if I understood correctly.)  Which basically means you can Earthquake twice in one turn.

The base stat list also isn't everything.  Look at Dodrio down there half way down the list.  Dodrio is one of my aces (from the previous generations.)  It is also my goal to build a battle ready Beedrill.

[daoman89]

They did improve Pin Missile thankfully.  Hello Mega Heracross with that 125 Base Attack Pin Pissile. (5 hits)

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Unless you're planning to run Mega Heracross (because of Skill Link) for sure all the time, i would still go with Megahorn as it's STAB. I keep my heracross with Megahorn and close combat, as before. Seems to work just as fine from b/w

[daoman89]

Yeah, it's better for its mega form.  5 times the chance for a critical hit as well.  All depends on if you're guaranteed to use Mega Heracross.  But who says you can't have two of them and one with Mega Horn.  Brings in the whole "will he mega evolve it or not" question.  You don't want to be too predictable. 

Sometimes I'll play it safe and sometimes I'll play risky.  Pull out my non-attacking baton passing Ninjask.  Boost up some auto-speed, swords dance 3 times (if it can, it's hard to get both against guys that can kill it instantly).  Rotate the protect and substitute moves and then pass him along to say.... Tyranitar.  Don't wanna risk getting one hit killed give the Tyranitar a focus sash (since he will get hit after being baton passed unless you manage to pass the substitute too).  You got an overpowered mountain mover who's fast as **** obliterating everything in its path.  Until you get roared or dragon tailed...  Damn counters lol.   

[Prpl_Mage]

Unless you're planning to run Mega Heracross (because of Skill Link) for sure all the time, i would still go with Megahorn as it's STAB. I keep my heracross with Megahorn and close combat, as before. Seems to work just as fine from b/w

Yeah especially if you boost the power further with some bug-increase hold item or berry.