Mistreatment of others and FFT

[Al~Len]

Originally posted by Grandy
I hate the "On topic" rule.

That's really too bad.


Now Moose is one whom I've always noticed to take many posts and just flat out be remotely insulting, or vaguely rude.. but it never really bothered me since It's pretty easy to get frustrated, or are in a bad mood, etc.
Or maybe Moose just enjoys attempting to "outwit" people.. I dunno..
My opinion of Moose hasn't altered any either way. *shrugs*
(this was what the topic was at first.. right?... Allen's so lost..)


Either way.. After reading this topic since it first came to be, and now... I really have no clue what happened.. but take note..
Izlude and Marquis Elmdor are awesome..

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Originally posted by Al~Len

quote:

Originally posted by Grandy I hate the "On topic" rule.

That's really too bad.


Now Moose is one whom I've always noticed to take many posts and just flat out be remotely insulting, or vaguely rude.. but it never really bothered me since It's pretty easy to get frustrated, or are in a bad mood, etc.
Or maybe Moose just enjoys attempting to "outwit" people.. I dunno..
My opinion of Moose hasn't altered any either way. *shrugs*
(this was what the topic was at first.. right?... Allen's so lost..)


Either way.. After reading this topic since it first came to be, and now... I really have no clue what happened.. but take note..
Izlude and Marquis Elmdor are awesome..

Amen, amen.
Exactly my point, people who want to view the thread get lost, when the topic gets changed in this manner.

And anyway, lol, moose is mean, guess ppl have to live with it. But his mean in HIS own way XD

[Razor]

about that on topic rule, people always go offtopic, and usually onto far more interesting conversations. then we have two conversations going on at once, and most people do one or the other, or both.

but then it gets locked. and I'm like '...'

[MrMister]

I made one of my powerhouse knights into a mediator and learned 'Equip Gun', it was really spectacular.

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

 And I go "...!?!?" when I go into the topic an see nonsense (nonsense in this case being what the topic is not about)
That' why you make threads.
 
Now drop this; it's enough that the topic took one direction.

Besides, I think we all know who Moose is, and well if we do...

[shinotebasiiackh]

It's weird how the off topic version of the topic is allways more interesting...


Anyway.

When I first got photoshop, I was really jazzed. I was like, hell yeah, I can make stuff! Had my friend, Forrest (Who is spectacular at photoshop), just said that I sucked and that my photoshopping skills were akin to an autistic gorrila with seizures, I would have been crushed, stopped there, and never got to where I am now.

When you take into account how hard the person is working on something, and then think about their potential, sometimes it's good to candycoat a little.

A lot of people say that their first game sucked. But that means that they got better.

[Osmose]

Indeed. And KM, don't I have the right to control the topic of a thread I created?

Repeating Fist. <3
Elmdor. <3<3
Orlandu <3<3<3<3<3<3

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Within the boundaries that was created for, yes. Otherwise, then I guess there would be no point for you to create new threads, since you can keep all your topics in one thread. Then again we would both agree that the idea sounds stupid and irritating, creating an ironic feeling which will make you, bleh, I dunno, defensive or rather mean about it.

Then again the purpose of the thread was  (and I use the term lightly) to compare your 'meaness' to other people's comments, which to you it seemed, meaner to you than your 'mean' comments, or at least you made it look that way.

Of course between the ridicule that was being made already, the topic changed to, I'll quote Almeidaboo:

This thread has changed purposes...It should be called: FFT: The last-ultimate-über class!

Which you can see that between the original purpose and, the 'new' purpose, are very, well, how would you say... different? And even managed to confuse, or get people 'lost'.

As far it seems it may be part of your meaness, but hey who's complaining?

[Osmose]

Well, you see, people have this thing called common sense. Trying to fight down the argument of how stupid closing MY topic because I'M not posting about what YOU think I should be posting about is by saying "Well, then let's just put all topics in one topic, eh?!"

That would be stupid, and any idiot knows it. But someone with common sense understands what I mean - create a topic and talk about the topic, but if the main group of people posting in the thread move on to a different topic and keep posting in the same thread, why punish them by locking the topic?

If we're so anti-spam, why lock topics and force people to make two new ones for each topic they were previously talking about?

Speaking of which, why do rules have to be so specific? This goes back to the common sense thing: mods are chosen because the admin thinks they have the sense to enforce the rules in a timely manner. That includes deciding when a rule should be enforced

Now, useless posts, ALA your forum gaming "last post wins" topic, are a good example of what would be spam if it was in the All of All. But people in a topic following the natural flow of a conversation from one topic to another shouldn't be considered spam, as all it does is make people angry that some idiot mod came in and locked their topic becuase OMFG IT'S HURTING MY EYES THEY AREN'T TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE TOPIC TITLE SAYS!

Also, if you are confused by a conversation that jumps over to a videogame after someone mentions said videogame, then you really need to reevaluate your reading skills. Or, even better, don't post and make the mods feel that they need to ruin everyone's fun because someone didn't understand a conversation.

No offense, Allen, I just need an example.  

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

lol it would be common sense if I go to a topic and read what it's about.

I dun want to go into a video store to find auto parts, common sense, yes?
lol I understand off topic, heck I do it, in fact i been warned in other forums for it.

And just to let you know, there is no off-topic rule that I remember reading (yep as a regular member I gotta know this stuff ), however there is a rule that says :Make sure your topic's title is revelant with the topic's body. (that is not, umm, how did you say, specific?)
The topic's body is the whole thread content; it is the authors responsability to stabalize any real unrevelance, such as this.

What you are allowing is: The point of my thread was concluded, let's move to something else in this thread, since is mine.

I still don't see how making a new thread is umm 'punishing', and no one is locking anything, so surely dun know where are you getting assumptions.

Now to lock a thread for the fact for them to start a fresh new topic about what they were talking about... eh, dun know how's that punishing, not that any one learns a lesson, nor anyone results hurt, nor ruins anyone fun, unless this is really the only source of entertainment then well too bad for you, starts going to other forums.

And well apperantly you think I am doing this cuz a mod status, and even though you'll discredit me i'll say it anyway; I am a member of this forum too, I am a member like you, and I am probably have the same 'common sense'; I know these little things such as  rules seem like really irritating, I've done it, right now I am going thru something like this on rpgfreedom, but as a mod, rules are to be inforced; what rule am I trying to inforce?

 

Creating Threads

Before making a new thread, stop and think about what will you post about. Be specific and make sure it expresses something meaningful. Also Make sure your topic's title is revelant with the topic's body.

Sure is for creating threads, and it is not as specific as you say, but making your thread's body revelant to your topic, is not saying specificly saying ; don't go off-topic, it just asks, to MAKE SURE the thread content is revelant to the topic title. For, not even the topic title of this topic make sense, but I guess it went along with what you said.

This goes back to Lord Raffles, though a bit different, his topic title had to do nothing with the thread, which later on, was left open for any open discussion, which later was closed, because , well, he's purpose was to leave it open with fix topic.

different indeed, but just goes along w/the rule.

 

Also, if you are confused by a conversation that jumps over to a videogame after someone mentions said videogame, then you really need to reevaluate your reading skills. Or, even better, don't post and make the mods feel that they need to ruin everyone's fun because someone didn't understand a conversation.

lol is it that hard in a spychological manner to create new threads?
lol I been there, and yep it's hard. lol and well no one is gloomy, so we are all having fun hehehe...

[Osmose]

My topic title did have to do with my thread, or, rather, was a preface to what was inside. And then it ended. I'm not saying you are doing any of this(actually, most of this is probably dug up grudges against carmen - she locks topics because "the discussion is over" WTF?!)

And yes, having a topic locked is irritating, not because (HEAVEN FORBID I MIGHT CARE ABOUT SOMETHING) I don't have other forms of entertainment, but because I wonder why my topic got locked, why I have to go through the trouble of making another topic, when the topic didn't need to be locked in the fist place.

The current interpretation of the rules is really far more strict than it needs to be. Why do we even need to be having this discussion (because if I said argument I am almost certain I'd get a "we're not arguing. or at least, i'm not. i could care less because i have an outside life and like to resort to this excuse just to get the upper hand in the argument")? I could be talking with the other nice people in my thread, but instead you came over and told me that a bit of side talk in the thread is kinda bad and that we need to get back on topic. One person complained, Allen, who, although he is a cool guy, is one person who wasn't even actively participating in the thread until recently. So the rest of us have to "get back on topic" because one kid whined?

That is what irks me.

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

LoL no no no, and you are right, we are not arguing we are discussing, I am not about to lock anything either, and well I never said to go back  in topic, in fact I kinda went with what you guys were talking about, in a few posts back, when I was talking to razor

 

From like a few posts back

Now drop this; it's enough that the topic took one direction.

lol although the subject about the non-topicness wasn't dropped but oh well, I am not complaining. lol in fact the thread is been doing ok, and it is still ok, but as it was going, it was going to derrive from it's purpose, I just didn't want it to lose it essence; talking about how mean you are is too fun XD j/k

lol no, you dun exactly have to go back on topic, but stay on topic. there's a difference between those two terms and I hope you see it.

And anyway, we can both truly say we went REALLY off-topic,  for I have knack of doing that, carry on. hehehe...

[SaiKar]

Actually, I think that little exchange between Moose and Kijuki was one of the more intelligent conversations I've seen on Charas in the past forever or so.

I can see both sides. When I come into this thread, I was thinking I would see discussion of ff7rules's game thread and (possibly) unfair treatment to Osmose. Instead I see talk about Final Fantasty Tactics, a game that I both never played and have no interest in reading about. So it begs the question: why are they talking about this here?

On the other hand, real life conversations never stay on a single topic for THAT long, as people have difereing ideas and thoughts and before you know it, they are lead on some tangent and talking about something totally different. It's a totally natural thing, and it appears to happen both offline and on.

My advice is this: if you want to start a new topic, start a new thread. You'll probably get more people interested anyway. Who knows how many people out there like FFT but don't read this thread because they thought it was about Moose whining about unfair treament? So when you see yourself going off topic, just start a new thread and continue it there. If the original thread dies, so be it. Topics come and go.

I am half tempted to start a new thread about this encouraging discussion, but I fear it would turn into an "us vs them" "vote" of some sort, and I don't think a ruling one way or the other will benefit anyone. So I ask you all to heed my advice about starting new topics, and I shall sit on this issue for a while, to watch and to wait.

[Drace]

ARGH! I can't take it anymore. All the letters! They're driving me crazy!

[Razor]

I still like the idea of evolving conversations. That way we'd cut down on threads by about 2%.