Just something that has been bothering me for a while.

[WingZero]

Originally posted by Grandy
Many of their machines, including the 1905 model, could have taken off under their own power
 
COULD is the word, it didn't.

yes the 1905 but the 1903 din't need any optional power the optional power that in that time was the catapult was need to have more speed but it din't needed to to just fly.

[Desimodontidae]

Most things in history are ambiguous, anyways. Im sure somewhere someone else had already made a flying machine, and it was a hit of the week, but never caught on. Perhaps this happened several times, but not historically recorded, we'll never know. What gets remembered is only what we want remembered, and only the way we want it to be remembered. Ever think that maybe 1000 years ago there was a huge war where millions died, but everyone vowed not to talk about it, and kept it completly exponged from history?

Its possible...

[Grandy]

 1, 2, 3, 3....

 Ya, now even though I agree, Almeida, the Amazonia has nothign to do with this.

[MrMister]

What the ****?
Can you honestly think killing Bush would solve anything?
You want Dick Cheney to be the fucking president?

And didn't DaVinci invent the flying machine?
Pilâtre de Rozier was the first to fly a balloon.
And Germany had flown before..
Alberto Santos-Dumont was just the first to fly without crashing. He did wear a funny hat though.
Aviation may go back to China in the 13th century.. they always invent stuff first.

[Almeidaboo]

Where did you read that Grandy? My g/f wants to see it...

Yeah, I know Amazon has nothing to do with the matter, but it´s another example of the things they try to steal from us.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
another example of the things they try to steal from us.

WTF does Brazil have?!

[Grandy]

Far more lands than U.S., oil enough for being auto-sustentable (but we aren't and don't ask me why, my bet's go because we are a dumb country), a great ammount of the Amazonic forest, which, if I well remember, some teacher in U.S. where actually teaching that amazon wasn't ours, but thei'rs, we also have a great ammount of different trees and animals, it actually comes in a pack with the forest, so, yeah. Also, a great ammount of clean water, it may not look much to have water, but there are already some ships from U.S., ammount of another countries, coming here and taking it.

 Almeida: In an old Superinteressante if I well remember.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by Grandy
Far more lands than U.S., oil enough for being auto-sustentable (but we aren't and don't ask me why, my bet's go because we are a dumb country), a great ammount of the Amazonic forest, which, if I well remember, some teacher in U.S. where actually teaching that amazon wasn't ours, but thei'rs, we also have a great ammount of different trees and animals, it actually comes in a pack with the forest, so, yeah. Also, a great ammount of clean water, it may not look much to have water, but there are already some ships from U.S., ammount of another countries, coming here and taking it.

 Almeida: In an old Superinteressante if I well remember.

Add to that: our music isn´t done with 2 acords, our language is deep and complex enough to permit something called "poetry", our culture is  far too broad for anyother country understand it properly, arms-wide-open country and, just for the record, not a belicist country, in pther words, a more human nation.

We're a democracy.

Do you really belive that?

[Snake Eater]

In response to your orginal question, No.

[Razor]

Great idea, divide the page by zero why don't cha.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Desimodontidae
Most things in history are ambiguous, anyways. Im sure somewhere someone else had already made a flying machine, and it was a hit of the week, but never caught on. Perhaps this happened several times, but not historically recorded, we'll never know.

Yeah. The Wright brothers aren't acredited for being the first men to fly, just the first to do so in an airplane. If I remember correctly, William Cody (Buffalo Bill) had a large flight kite strong enough for two men and who knows how many times through history people have gotten the idea "Lets fill a bed sheet with air!".

[carmen]

try lving here for half your life. Digging into politics and issues. not just hearing/reading about them. I Can't say how brasil is. Even if I visited. So in my opinion, you can't really tell me what my country is. Because of the simple fact you're information is incomplete. Just like mine about your country.

Do you see me going "Brasil sucks!"

No. And you never will until I experience brasil and it's inner workings.
It's assuming things that get ppl in trouble.

So everytime I see a non us resident going "BUSH IS THE GAYZOR"
I automatically assume they don't know what they're talking about.

It's cool you guys watch the news and read whats going on. Thats good. But until you sit there at the capitol next to all of those guys...Don't talk to me.

So eager to insult things we don't understand. Just because it doesn't throw stones back, doesn't make it an abandoned window.

[Grandy]

Originally posted by Snake Eater
In response to your orginal question, No.

 Thanks, it was just to make sure.

 

Do you see me going "Brasil sucks!"

 No, and thats why I'm not mad with you. See, I'm mad with the people who DO that, like Mr.Mr. "What the **** does Brasil have?".

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by carmen
try lving here for half your life. Digging into politics and issues. not just hearing/reading about them. I Can't say how brasil is. Even if I visited. So in my opinion, you can't really tell me what my country is. Because of the simple fact you're information is incomplete. Just like mine about your country.

Do you see me going "Brasil sucks!"

No. And you never will until I experience brasil and it's inner workings.
It's assuming things that get ppl in trouble.

So everytime I see a non us resident going "BUSH IS THE GAYZOR"
I automatically assume they don't know what they're talking about.

It's cool you guys watch the news and read whats going on. Thats good. But until you sit there at the capitol next to all of those guys...Don't talk to me.

So eager to insult things we don't understand. Just because it doesn't throw stones back, doesn't make it an abandoned window.

Marcelo Wuo Lopes, Rafael Rietmann, my "relatives" from USA. They know what they´re talking about, they can reproduce what I said. That´s why.

Plus, you´ll never see me trying to teach you how to draw or to play the guitar, cause that I really don´t know. I´m not really into speaking without knowing what I´m talking about.

I´ve been to the States, I have many worderful things to say about the country. Organization, development, welcoming and helpful citizens. No trash on the ground, no beggars, wonderful minibar service in the hotels.

But Bush, Bush is the "GAYZOR".

[charaman]

Originally posted by Desimodontidae
Most things in history are ambiguous, anyways. Im sure somewhere someone else had already made a flying machine, and it was a hit of the week, but never caught on. Perhaps this happened several times, but not historically recorded, we'll never know. What gets remembered is only what we want remembered, and only the way we want it to be remembered. Ever think that maybe 1000 years ago there was a huge war where millions died, but everyone vowed not to talk about it, and kept it completly exponged from history?

Its possible...

There are hindu texts which vividly describe their flying saucer-like aircrafts.

EDIT: http://www.crystalinks.com/indiavimanas.html