ZeroKirb's Art Schtuff

[Bluhman]

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Er- Oh, sorry. Just thought of something amusing.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Jet Set Radio style Roy from memory. I failed.

[Revolution911]

You've improved alot.  I like where you're going with all this.  You show alot of promise as an artist.  

On this latest drawing,  I really liked the whole shading, but when I looked at it I noticed that you have no definite lightsource.  Pick a lightsource and stick with it.  You have to have an eye for seeing where a shadow should be cast.  Also, fore-shortening is a bit of a problem, and so are the skates,  The arm should be a tad bit shorter, seeing as its pointed towards me slightly.  The right(his right) skate is bigger than the left one.  Its farther away, DATS WEIRD.  I feel like I should be seeing the bottom of the left skate.  I also feel like it should be alot bigger.  The colored pencil and/or crayon leaves a bit to be desired.  Its just awkward when you see the pitch black and the crayola coloring job, ya know?  Its either gotta be all solid, or all crayola.  Otherwise it'll look kinda weird.

Good stuff from you.  A few suggestions would be learn how muscles/hair work a bit more.  Never substitute "style" for anatomy.  Another would be....well...work on faces.  The just all look like that same dude with a different haircut

AFRAID OF DRAWING GIRLS ARE WE?  LEARN FEMALE FORM TOO, YOU SILLY BILLY.

Your art shiiitttt might be one of the few reasons I still check up on charas.  You and mid.  Cause mid is cool.  KEEP UP THE SOLID STUFF, MANG.

[ZeroKirbyX]

BOOBS SCARE ME. PENI ARE COMFORTING.

Thanks for the words man, really appreciate it. I understand what you mean about the light source, got too caught up in trying to do that JSR thing.

I completely agree about the faces thing

[Revolution911]

You should draw photos.  Draw models in magazines.  Draw people you sit next to in school.  Draw real life in a park or something.

Get a feel for how everything on a REAL human works.  From wrinkles in clothes, to varying eye placement and lip size.
It helps.  

[ZeroKirbyX]

I actually do, so I'd assume thats why you say it's improved I guess. Playboy models are ****ing awesome references for anatomy. And boobs. I just draw random **** from online usually though.

[Dragoon de Sol]

I like his stuff.

Rev, no offense, but you sound like my dad. he's always saying how people should draw cartoons more realistic and they should all have a similar style. But that's why cartoons are appealing is their differences. I'm not saying he's drawing all cartoons, mind you, but you seem to focus mroe on the realism than the feel.

The anatomy on his skater is awkward, sure, but it fits as well. If he had a normal male anatomy, it'd look stupid to me.


But yeah, work on using color pencils more.

[Grandy]

 Cartoonish drawings >>> anatomy


 By far.

[Prpl_Mage]

ZKX's drawing style ->Anatomy and classic cartoon.

Really like it but one of the bang's shade looks a bit wierd. Great job.

[Revolution911]

You dont seem to see where I'm getting at.  Cartoonists who dont understand anatomy are basically writers who cant read.  Cartoons shouldn't be realistic if its not what the artist wants, but every cartoonist KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS anatomy.  Jhonen Vasquez understands anatomy and could probably pump out a davinci if he wanted to.  Benjamin Roman knows and understands his anatomy.  Takeshi Obata, Min-Woo Kyung, Corey Lewis, all understand anatomy.  They know and understand it, and with that vast understanding of it, they mold it into their own individual styles.  And they're all fantastic artists.

Did you even...ya know...read my crit?  Like, at all?  If you did you obviously didn't understand it.  These arent anatomy flaws.  These are foreshortening and depth problems.  ANY drawing can have this.  It has nothing to do with how you work your anatomy.  And either way, despite style, you can always spot an anatomy problem. lol it has nothing to do with "normal male anatomy."

I focused on the feel and I critiqued it and he even AGREED WIF ME FOO.  The lightsources were off.  S'cool, it happens to the best of us.

Never substitute style for anatomy.  Never.  Its like writing a book when you cant read.  Once you have a basic feel for anatomy, THEN you shape and mold it into your own style.  I made that anatomy comment as a critique on all of the drawings in general.

BREAK YOSELF, FOO.  TRYIN 2 TEST ME, YO?

And in the midst of all this, I mean no offense, but you sound like the guy who when someone shows him a flaw in his work, he screams "ITS NOT A FLAW, ITS MY STYLE."


Edit:

2ZKX:  Do you use reference at all?  Just wondering.

[Archem]

Rev is totally correct. If you don't have a firm grip on anatomy, then your drawings (or paintings or whatever) will look awkward and irregular. I hate drawing things in a real-to-life manner (personally, I always want my art to be a form of escape from the hum-drum reality), but I know anatomy pretty well. No, I wouldn't say I could pump out a daVinci, but I can at least create an easily recognizable human figure with a fair level of detail. Style is always important, and an artist without a style is simply a photocopier, but without anatomy, all artists would be in-line and equal to a child's drawing of mommy and daddy (perhaps below this quality standard, even).

[Dragoon de Sol]

I agree with the fact that all artists should know anatomy. But you also touched on the fact that he needs to work on muscles and hair a bit more. That is anatomically speaking, which was my point that he didn't need muscles or hair to be correct anatomically if he wasn't going for that sort of realism. Jet Set Radio does not follow normal anatomy in their designs, though yeah, the artists know it well, realistic atanomy is more or less absent. I, myself, believe you should sacrifice style for a realistic anatomy if it fits the theme. If everyone followed that rule of yours, Rev, then we wouldn't have creations like Pikachu, cause honestly, does it have the anatomy of a mouse? No.

[Revolution911]

I just said that anatomy comment was to all of his drawings.  Muscles doesn't mean BUFFED OUT DOOD LIEK GOKU PEWPEWPEW.  I meant understand HOW THE WORK.  LIKE HOW THE BEND, HOW FAR THEY CAN GO, WHERE THEY ARE, HOW LONG THEY ARE, ETC ETC.  Same with the hair.  It just looks like a lazy spiky mess in most of these, but thats nowhere near as important as understanding muscles.

Pikachu?  Come now man, you make no sense.  FIRST OFF, PIKACHU IS A ****ing ANIMAL LOL.  Made up animals and fictional beasts call for no specific anatomy, so you're free to have fun and be creative.  Once that anatomy is set, THEN you have to follow the rubric, but if its a MADE UP ANIMAL,  WHAT ANATOMY RUBRIC IS THERE?  This has NOTHING, and I mean 0 RELEVANCE TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.  

But don't even get me started on the art in pokemon.  I SWEAR THEY'RE ALL THE SAME ****ing CHARACTER WEARING A DIFFERENT WIG.  Except that pimp brock.

[Dragoon de Sol]

All I'm saying is in Pokemon, anatomy is greatly sarcificed for the style. Yet people draw pokemon like crazy without ANY knowledge of anatomy, and they're of the same quality, if not better. Pikachu may be fictional, but it's still a mouse, and a mouse isn't fiction.

[Revolution911]

Pokemon has a cookie cutter art style.  Simple shapes all throughout the characters.  Its not hard to mimic it.  Its also not hard to seem like a copycat and uncreative for drawing it in the first place.  Unless of course your 10.  I started off drawing pokemon as a matter of fact.  Terrible stuff

Anyway, all pokemon are based off of something.  It doesn't HAVE a definite anatomy set for it.  Are all dogs built the same?  Are all creatures of the rodent family built the same?  Are all fish built the same?  No they're ALL DIFFERENT.  Pikachu is no different.  Pikachu is its own animal and therefore has his own form.

NOW, onto my shitty machamp from 10 years ago.