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I general I'd say I agree 98% with Grandy's post above.
Originally posted by Almeidabooquote:Originally posted by charamanquote:Originally posted by AlmeidabooAbout first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.I can't believe someone would say that. **** it. I'm done trying to comprehend any of this.Let me just say that the fact that you hold yourself in such a regard as to judge such a situation is really unnerving to me.I'm seeing a lot of insensitive comments in this thread about events, and theories (and opinions being presented as fact) that are making me ashamed to be a part of this discussion. You say you want to honor the dead but "oh only on my terms" or when it's convienient. Does any one here really believe the 9/11 conspiracies beng presented are at all sincerely representing the wishes of the dead? Please, people. reevaluate what you are saying before you try to critisize another person's insensitivity. People are people, whether they are ****** up or whatever, and it is not your job to pass judgement on the value of their lives, dead or alive.Iīll tell you something, and you keep it for life, even though you donīt agree. If you want to understand my comment:1) Step out, for one day, of Wonder Land. Step out of it and join the pain of opressing governments and insecurity.2) Be opressed by someone. And not your parents, that take your videogame away. Be scared, feel fear from someone that has actually nothing to lose, that will kill you if you donīt give them your shoes.3) Live somewhere, a 3rd world country, where the criminals have THE SAME FREAKING WEAPONS AS THE USA ARMY AND TAKE ON THE POLICE AND MANY TIMES WIN.4) Step out of Wonder Land.In Brazil, many of the criminals have no hope. Either they die, either you parents may get killed. Streets can be safe. Or not.The diff between USA criminals and Brazilīs criminals is that in the USA the perfectness of everything, the routine and the steady life, the suburbs drive people crazy. The get f/cked up of the head and enter school with guns to kill their school mates (instead of trying to find new friends WTF!).In Brazil they come to you and rob you. They are the law in many places, and most of the time theyīve got no mental problems. They were born in the horror of poverty, and persue the life they couldnīt have in the scared eyes of honest people.They rob, they kill, they rape, they kidnap. And then walk away with your life.Most of them HAVE to die (not to mention we waste more money with the penitentiary system than with education WTF v.2.2)
Originally posted by AlmeidabooPavillion 9 had only highly dangerous criminals. I went to Carandiru days before it was demolished and got everything about it. The other pavilions (the religious guys, the I donīt know what guys) didnīt suffer the attack.There ya go.EDIT: The word is not "worse" criminals, but "different".EDIT2: And dude, for real, if you donīt know what it is like, donīt speak about it. You may be really mistaken and even be unfair to yourself. If, god forbid, anything happens to anyone close to you, hating wonīt be the answer. I study what Iīm talking about, and the best answer till now is death penalty.
and the best answer till now is death penalty.
Originally posted by charamanquote:Originally posted by Almeidabooquote:Originally posted by charamanquote:Originally posted by AlmeidabooAbout first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.I can't believe someone would say that. **** it. I'm done trying to comprehend any of this.Let me just say that the fact that you hold yourself in such a regard as to judge such a situation is really unnerving to me.I'm seeing a lot of insensitive comments in this thread about events, and theories (and opinions being presented as fact) that are making me ashamed to be a part of this discussion. You say you want to honor the dead but "oh only on my terms" or when it's convienient. Does any one here really believe the 9/11 conspiracies beng presented are at all sincerely representing the wishes of the dead? Please, people. reevaluate what you are saying before you try to critisize another person's insensitivity. People are people, whether they are ****** up or whatever, and it is not your job to pass judgement on the value of their lives, dead or alive.Iīll tell you something, and you keep it for life, even though you donīt agree. If you want to understand my comment:1) Step out, for one day, of Wonder Land. Step out of it and join the pain of opressing governments and insecurity.2) Be opressed by someone. And not your parents, that take your videogame away. Be scared, feel fear from someone that has actually nothing to lose, that will kill you if you donīt give them your shoes.3) Live somewhere, a 3rd world country, where the criminals have THE SAME FREAKING WEAPONS AS THE USA ARMY AND TAKE ON THE POLICE AND MANY TIMES WIN.4) Step out of Wonder Land.In Brazil, many of the criminals have no hope. Either they die, either you parents may get killed. Streets can be safe. Or not.The diff between USA criminals and Brazilīs criminals is that in the USA the perfectness of everything, the routine and the steady life, the suburbs drive people crazy. The get f/cked up of the head and enter school with guns to kill their school mates (instead of trying to find new friends WTF!).In Brazil they come to you and rob you. They are the law in many places, and most of the time theyīve got no mental problems. They were born in the horror of poverty, and persue the life they couldnīt have in the scared eyes of honest people.They rob, they kill, they rape, they kidnap. And then walk away with your life.Most of them HAVE to die (not to mention we waste more money with the penitentiary system than with education WTF v.2.2)I don't disagree with you. **** life. **** government, **** everything. But please, please don't think that tyranny and violence and corruption and murder are defined by political borders: they happen everywhere and are a cruel reality of the ****** up systems that govern the planet. Sure, this can be more concentrated and prevalent in some places than others, but not everyone is my ******* country is blind to the truth.Government's supposed to be above that **** though. That's why many people (not me) place their trust in it. To have a country and penal system run by the same kind of tyrants that it is set up to punish is backwards, can't you see that? It's a system set up for failure.In my OPINION, what the prisons should do is weed out the worst of the worst, force them to live in the worst, most cramped smallest solitary cells that can be found, and given only the bread an water necesary to sustain some sort of life.The point here that I am making is not that bad men deserve to be pampered and rehabilitated, because most logical poeple know that won't work for many prisoners. They should not be butchered and killed according to the whims of the prison heirarchy.
I saw it.
Originally posted by AlmeidabooI belive in this: whenever you donīt adhere to something, like a strike or a gang, or a government (for example), it shows that you donīt agree with that in some level, and you "declare" not needy of those things.
Originally posted by GrandyResume of my opinions: Death sentence is murder, only a legal murder, which doesn't change the fact it IS murder. quote:I saw it. Of course, you're older than you look and was arrested some days before it, either that or you didn't saw it.
Originally posted by Almeidaboo (the massacre was a crime and it was cowardice of the policeman, but if we had a fair system, that would have been done anyway. Eye for an eye.)
Originally posted by charamanquote:Originally posted by Almeidaboo (the massacre was a crime and it was cowardice of the policeman, but if we had a fair system, that would have been done anyway. Eye for an eye.)Ok. Thats all I was trying to get at.
Keep up the censor work-arounds, Almeidaboo, and I won't edit your post next time, I have to delete it.
Originally posted by GrandyAn example of not listening to orange names, maybe. *points to Kijuky's post*