Carmen and Ghostclown

[Robotam]

You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted. (mr. mister)

Actually, some of mr.mr's posts has been deleted. I saw his name a couple of times in the logfile. Perhaps, about three times.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!


.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.

We know you´re Mr. Mr. and that´s pretty much your job around here, but for just once say something that actually helps, c'mon...Or give your bully-powers to Asakura.

Well, this thread has gotten kinda pointless having that GC and Carmen will not say anything.

[DarkFlood2]

Maybe they're afraid to post...

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by MrMister
-Breaking News-
Get a Life!


.......
GC and Carmen are great mods.
They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking.
And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.

Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.

But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.

Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze

quote:

Originally posted by MrMister -Breaking News- Get a Life! ....... GC and Carmen are great mods. They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking. And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.

Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.

But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.

Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.

[WEIRD VOICE] Flawless victory [WEIRD VOICE]

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze

quote:

Originally posted by MrMister -Breaking News- Get a Life! ....... GC and Carmen are great mods. They aren't abusing their power, there's just a lot of rule breaking. And stop posting so much in this thread. It's freaking hard to keep track of.

Actually they kinda do. I catagorize GC's original locking of this thread simply because of someone was "questioning his authority" as abusing their powers. There was no flaming, he just decided to lock it because people didn't agree with his decisions. Silencing people who don't agree with you should be considered abusing their powers, when it is done in a civalized manor of course.

But I don't think that them abusing their powers is an issue, because if they do abuse them, its very rarely. Whats really the issue is them being too strict, every time a rule is broken, they lock the topic. I have never seen another forum that has as many locked and deleted topics as charas. Most of the topics that are deleted don't have content that would be unsuitable for anyone, and yet maybe because it goes off topic or something, its removed.

Its basically over-enforcing the law. If you're driving and are speeding (breaking the rules) going 5 mph over the speed limit probably won't even get you pulled over, if you do, you'll probably just get a warning. Now if you're drunk and going 40 mph over the speed limit, the penalties will be much more severe. My point is that if the rules being broken are just minor ones or if its nothing severe, then the topic doesn't deserve to be locked, if things get WAY to out of hand, then yeah, lock it and be done with it.

TRUE.

And to second that... theres NO RULE about QUESTIONING AUTHORITIES. Therefore the lock itself was kinda poofy. TOUGH then again I give gc the benifit of doubt for it could've been because he may have wanted to talk about it in the PVT forum. But db had good points.

Agreed with you Almeiboo and DB

[shadus]

 

Agreed with you Almeiboo and DB

[drenrin2120]

I could be wrong, but at the time, he could've seen this as a problem between the mods and admins as well as (in a way) sort of humiliating him and Carmen. That's my opinion, this whole thread is a joke and in a way, an attack on GC and Carmen. I side with Mr. Mister, tho I don't usually like him. This time, he's right.

I categorize GC's locking of this topic, perfectly fine. If I was him, I'd see this as more of a private matter. Or maybe it could've just been as simple as Razor said, the posts were now irrelevant. Stop over analyzing things you guys, seriously.

[Robotam]

The thing with some of you is that you don't pick your sides from what they've done, you pick sides depending on how close to Carmen and GC you are.

Truth is this topic is no longer about what it was from the beginning it seems. Carmen deleted 40 post and threads and that's not a low number. Charas is a small community yet our logfile is equal to gamingw's as I said to Razor the other day.
It can't possible have been a correct decision everytime.

Obviously none of us is going to change our minds, nor are we going to reach an understanding by discussing about all of this.
We need someone to make a decision now, how to confront this problem. *all eyes on SaiKar*

[WarxePB]

No matter what we say, people will pick sides of their own will rather than through the facts. It is human nature, and cannot be avoided.

Despite that, I do not want us to split. I do not want this thread degenerating into a flame war. I do not want to see people bashing GC and Carmen, then other people defend them, then others yet flame the defenders. That will do nothing.

We are not children. I would like to think that 95% of us can have a reasonable debate without mud-slinging, but we just choose not to. I would also like to think that the same number of us can also reach an agreement on issues without flaming each other, but, yes, we just choose not to. Why? I don't know. Perhaps we are all to stubborn, or simply too stupid to realize the greater good that can come of cooperation.

So, instead of needlessly posting against each other, let us reach a compromise.

GC and Carmen did willingly abuse their power as moderators, but they were justified in doing it. Can we all agree with that? If not, then my hope for all of you will be in vain.

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
No matter what we say, people will pick sides of their own will rather than through the facts. It is human nature, and cannot be avoided.

Despite that, I do not want us to split. I do not want this thread degenerating into a flame war. I do not want to see people bashing GC and Carmen, then other people defend them, then others yet flame the defenders. That will do nothing.

We are not children. I would like to think that 95% of us can have a reasonable debate without mud-slinging, but we just choose not to. I would also like to think that the same number of us can also reach an agreement on issues without flaming each other, but, yes, we just choose not to. Why? I don't know. Perhaps we are all to stubborn, or simply too stupid to realize the greater good that can come of cooperation.

So, instead of needlessly posting against each other, let us reach a compromise.

GC and Carmen did willingly abuse their power as moderators, but they were justified in doing it. Can we all agree with that? If not, then my hope for all of you will be in vain.

To be honest, I don't believe anyone is flaming or doing anything inmature in this topic. Theres nothing wrong with having differant opinions, then debating your own opinions. You can't lose hope in us because we don't all share a uniform opinion, its impossible because everyone is differant. Like I said, what matters here is that we're not yelling at eachother and acting like children in this topic.

And logically, you can't really abuse your powers and yet be justified in doing so. If its justified and has a good reason, then it wouldn't be considered abuse. But in actuality, it doesn't really matter what happened in the past, so I'm willing to forgive and forget and move on.

[Meiscool-2]

meh

[MrMister]

What have they done? They moderated! OMG I POO PANTS.
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.

You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.

I could abuse my powers if I had some.

And quit saying I'm not helping! This thread isn't helping!

[Rune_of_Punishment]

The most I'm going to say about this is that it's not getting anywhere. There won't be a consensus because people have opposing viewpoints and well... people are too stubborn. Instead of complaining about what has happened, why not try to fix the situation instead of dwelling on the "abuse of power." That'd be a better thing to do after all.

Edit: And by fix, I mean figure out how far mods can go and how reasonable things can be.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by MrMister
What have they done? They moderated! OMG I POO PANTS.
And since when is this thread about attacking me? This is about attacking GC and Carmen. And you guys are all being real bitches about it. You team up on them and **** all over the only guy who defends them. This thread is getting nothing done, and needs to be locked. Then at least I could have a little faith in this forum. I guess it's human nature to find something wrong in everything.

quote:

You know if you weren't you, you'd have most of your posts deleted.

I could abuse my powers if I had some.

And quit saying I'm not helping! This thread isn't helping!

Some people are getting angered because of your ability to flame and not get punished, that's all. Most times you're funny, but every once in awhile you say something non-humorous and completly uncalled for, and I think that's what people are talking about.