Carmen and Ghostclown

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Thank you Sai.

Further more, will I like to comment and ask on the following concepts of these actions:

Deleting threads/post: I believe the staff should not delete threads unless they have high status of wrongness in them (Porn, Illegal links, illegal talk). Instead of deleting threads, a topic should be locked (GIVING a REASON why they were locked, and sent to the JUNK BIN. The Junk Bin is there for a reason, to give space to the trash we are throwing. instead of deleting a post, it should be edited, or even better SEND A PM TO THE USER SO HE/SHE CAN CHANGE IT. If the user refuses or does not answer in an amount of time then the staff member will kindly edit and give reason (thankfully i have seen this done, but very rarely).

So, question being, when these posts/threads are deleted, do you PM the user or do you post the reason as to why it was deleted? Reason why it should be done: Not only to be courteous but you are not only may br throwing off the owner of the post if you do not, but even the whole sequence after that post, and I noticed that any other thread/post followed or directed at that deleted post/thread gets/may be deleted/edited.

If you edit a post it also gives warning to other members reading the edit of what should and should not be done. By deleting it, not only will you raise doubt in their mind as to why you did it, but other members will not know the reason of why the action was taken.

Upon the answers give I shall continue or give up my argument.

(EDIT: The words in caps are for emphasis. Not for lashing at you. Since sincerely I am not that nice when I am lashing =P)

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by SaiKar
ATTENTION: this thread will NOT be locked, moved, or deleted. Posts within it will not be edited or deleted except by their owners. It will play it's course. Further mucking with this thread will not be looked upon lightly.

Thanks, since this thread was locked before I could reply, I was forced to send a PM. Basically I didn't get an answer other than its none of my (nor any other members) buisness.

Threads being deleted affects everyone at these forums, and thus I belive its something we should talk about so we can resolve this issue.

I see a lot of topics locked for flaming, which is good, but I also see a lot of topics that have nothing that I can see wrong with them just being deleted. No explanation, no warning, they're just gone. They weren't moved, they were just delted. I believe actions like this are wrong.

It is my opinion that a lot of the topics that are locked didn't have to be locked, yeah of course topics with heavy flaming should be locked, but sometimes its just better if you let it just play out so the whole topic doesn't need to be killed just because of two people. Another thing I see a lot is delted posts sometimes because people get off topic, and sometimes because they use vulgar language or do some flaming, if something like this happens, the mod/admin who deleted the posts should at least say that they've done so and why they've done it.

[Revolution911]

...I'd like it if topics that were still in non-flame-war-use were left unlocked...

Is it like, illegal to just let the members have a random conversation? Too strict. Not just Carmen or GC. Everything on charas really.  

[shadus]

Maybe it's time to get new mods?

Meiscool- No

Me- No..

Grandy- Maybe..

Never mind.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo

quote:

Originally posted by MrMister Those are dumbass posts, and I don't think anybody wants this to turn into a dumbass forum.

Dumbass or not it´s not your opinion that´ll tell the forum's will. Neither Carmen´s or GC´s. If the threads are deceased by flame and spam it´s ok to lock or even delete (if absurd). Otherwise, having in sight the shown examples of the mod's acts, they´re just abusing they´re power. And obviously, if Sai allowed this to be posted, he agrees with Robotam.

Excelent point Robotam.

Totally agree with ya.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by Desimodontidae
That's why they're the admins and you're not. They have been entrusted to make wise descisions that benifit the good of the forum.

That´s what we´re questioning here: wise decisions or over-their-power decisions?

I think KM made an excelent point there. And Sai's still wise.

[shadus]

Reminds me of the Warxe the overpowering mod flash.

[FFL2and3rocks]

I don't think topics should be deleted, unless it's a big problem, as KM said, or if the person is just trying to get into a ton of trouble. (*coughcoughlordrafflescoughcough*) If a topic is just spam, then lock + junk bin'd should be sufficient.

As for posts, I believe that if the person is just trying to be a jerk and is flaming, then it should be deleted. But if the person is being sarcastic about it, or is just joking around, then I would leave it alone.

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo

quote:

Originally posted by Desimodontidae That's why they're the admins and you're not. They have been entrusted to make wise descisions that benifit the good of the forum.

That´s what we´re questioning here: wise decisions or over-their-power decisions?

I think KM made an excelent point there. And Sai's still wise.

Yeah, I agree. Admins are just people, even though they have been "entrusted",  their decisions aren't always perfect. I'm sure most of them try their best, but yeah, no ones perfect.

Though this isn't a democracy where we can vote who we want to be admins, we should still be able to voice our opinions on this matter.

No admin should play 'god' or not care what the members of their own forum think.

[charaman]

I've seen this before...



Just wait for Alex.

Until then, debate.

[WarxePB]

I have nothing to say, as everything I could say has been stated already. But I will say this: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

EDIT: Also, let's try to keep this civil. No mud-slinging, okay? I could post numerous things I don't like about Ghostclown and Carmen, but I won't, because it would be a downright flame to do so. So if you're just going to flame someone, don't post at all.

[Meiscool-2]

I'll have you know that I still hate you Robotam.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
But I will say this: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

semi-off topic, but my friend and I had a pretty long discussion about this, and this just seems to validate my point.


I've noticed the things this thread describes lately, but considering my past, I'm probably not the best person to bring it up. to tell the truth, it is this kind of thing that provoked me before. Not wanting to be like Raffles (listening Meiscool?) not wanting to be different, but because I had what I believe to be the overall general interests of charas in mind. Notice how a lot of people began responding after Saik-Kar gave his approval? I bet it became a lot bigger of a deal in your mind after you saw that you weren't goin to get in trouble saying something.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by charaman
(listening Meiscool?)

Sure enough. Your point is decently given out, but I still believe that if a post is not offencive to anyone, or speaks the honest truth, it shouldn't be deleted. Carmen's editing of posts if normally ok, she just changes swear words and etc, but Ghostclown enjoys deleting posts on a needless basis, when they are not offencive, completely and utterly off topic, or blanent lies.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Meiscool

quote:

Originally posted by charaman (listening Meiscool?)

Sure enough. Your point is decently given out, but I still believe that if a post is not offencive to anyone, or speaks the honest truth, it shouldn't be deleted. Carmen's editing of posts if normally ok, she just changes swear words and etc, but Ghostclown enjoys deleting posts on a needless basis, when they are not offencive, completely and utterly off topic, or blanent lies.

just an opinion, but I think carmen's locks are a little quick sometimes as well.