The difference of MADE, RIPPED and COMBINED

[X-F3R]

i donno about you guys, but i just get pissed all of a sudden looking a resources that are proclaimed "MADE" by a certain user.

MADE: meaning, made from scratch with or without the help of a template. easy to understand?

RIPPED: meaning, ripped from a game using an emulator or whatever..

COMBINED: Chipsets!!! i see A LOT of chipsets that are proclaimed "I MADE" when they are just rips from other chipsets.

EDITTED: A resource that is recolored, re..whatever, you get what i mean.

yes, yes.. i am aiming at those credit takers.. so much of them everywhere.. i mean, maybe they are not.. but i guess most charsets made by our users should credit Charas and the Charas.Ex program, by GPI.

i mean, check it..
i see TONS of topics called "A CHARSET I MADE" when they're made with Charas.Ex, but then, no credit being given.. it would lighten me up A LOT if the topics was called "A CHARSET I MADE  WITH CHARAS ONLINE GENERATOR/CHARAS. EX

really.. Charas is doing a hell of a good job providing an online charset generator and people walk around claiming it was made by them, not recognizing charas. Charas, their staff, resource makers and all that,  DESERVE the credit that they don't get.

if it weren't for those kinds of people who come to Charas, make a set then go post it in another forum, saying they did it and all that, charas would be the no.1 RM2K(3) charset site!

as you guys know, i like to speak my mind a lot! so this is one of them.

[Darkfox]

You know what aggrivates me more? Is when people ask me to draw battlechars and stuff... And I say it out loud and make it obvious that I rip the sprites for the battlechars I make... sheesh... I don't think I ever say that I draw them, I just say I make the battlechars, not the sprites themselves. When I say "make" I mean I put it together, with no templates. As for Battle Animations, I use the FFL2and3rocks template (Which has been edited by me to give the full ammount of frames).

[Alex]

Well, anyhow consider the risk those peoples are taking on themselves.
Claiming i am a good chara-maker while i'm not can be terrible if someone (whoever) will notice I've used Charas.
And Charas itself, at this time, is really known arout RPGM communities, so....

Moreover, there is no way for us to check every game and every resource around the net: the same problem is here, expecially in complete resources (where someone take resources from somewhere and post them here under his name without crediting the original author, see my las news about this).

While Charas itself will not be totally "genuine" in this, it's hard to say "i'm angry because you've not credited us".

What do you think?

[X-F3R]

hmm.. i'm not saying that you are the one who should be angry or anything, i don't think ur that kind of person who does those kinds of things, but me, i'm just the type of person who hates people for taking the credit which they don't deserve

true about the fact that we can't search every single RM2K game whether they have used the Online Generator or Charas.Ex and check if they have credited Charas, but i never said that we had to go after them and all that.

all i wanted to point out was there are some people who like to steal stuff and not credit those who has to be.. and i also wanted to point out the meaning of those meanings of those i mentioned up there..

i'm not saying that we should form an army and chase them (lol..) as i said, i like to speak my mind a lot.. so yeah.. hehehe

[Alex]

Me too, my friend.
My point was not an "attack army", but the fact that the same things occours here inside.
As you're angry for "thieves" who uses charas results under their name, an original author may be angry with charas if he'll find something made by him (and not credited to him) here.

[X-F3R]

hahaha i knew you would say something like that in the end.. well, most charset makers put only 7 chars in their charsets cuz they leave the 8th slot for their identity.. eh? but if they don't do this.. well.. better wait for the outcome..

[wishmoo]

charas is a great idea, but like any site with open ended resource submission, it is near impossible to track or know which sets coming in are not stolen.  our artists have even found parts of their original work submitted here (like hair and so on).  the worst is seeing their original work with their signatures removed (the template submitted is an exact replica minus their sigs) or their beautiful work poorly edited and butchered.

just because a set has no signature doesn't mean you can send it to someone else and say "here".  several years ago, it was very rare for someone to take another's work.  artists often filled templates with original charasets and then zipped them into one file.  their credits were posted at the download location and that was enough.

but copyright ownership does not require a signature.  so claiming that a work had no signature is no excuse, nor is it a free license to anyone to steal.

[Alex]

True, and this is fully applyable to our problem: the only way i have to know something is not original, is the original author to alert me.
So i strongly recommend to anyone to do this.

The inverse problem (the one X-F3R was talking about) is purely ethical: charas generated resources has not an author, it can have up to 8! Giving credits to charas doesn't mean to credit me or someone in particular, it means crediting everyone who helps here.
This is why i call this an ethical question.

Finally, these points comes together: for it's nature Charas is not a mass of single, separated users: it's a community. Whatever is generated in Charas, is made by everyone, in concept.
Not the same for single resources, as correctly Wishmoo highlights.

It's simply called respect.

[X-F3R]

bravo!!! there's the word i tried to look for!!! respect!

wishmoo:

true about people not wanting to put their signatures in their original works.. 2 reasons.. either they're lazy to do so or they want to use up all 8 slots..

 

but copyright ownership does not require a signature. so claiming that a work had no signature is no excuse, nor is it a free license to anyone to steal.

VERY true!!! you can just.. take several sets, combine them, put in your own sig, and run around trigger happy..

i don't mean to ask this but, is this topic getting anywhere? i guess the questions now are all answered.. and all i wanted to point out were the meanings of the words

"MADE", "RIPPED", "COMBINED" and "EDITTED".. there may be a few more words.. oh.. ok.. for the topic, "STOLEN" ..lol..

 

[SaiKar]

The thing with Charas is that since so many people are submitting resources, it is impractial to give credit to *each* person. You would have to go through every charas resource you have used, figure out who make this body or who made that shirt or hair or background item. I much prefer to credit Charas for the works I make here. After all, Charas exists to benefit the community as a whole, not the individual artists that sumbit here.

Right?  

Anyway, I would much rather people "claim" my resources then nobody use them at all. I submit my resources here not to gain fame and a reputation, but to help out people that cannot draw their own very well.

[Alex]

This is a good discussion, hope to ear also other comments.
What i can do now is to move it into the Charas Project forum, and to stick it.

[GaryCXJk]

As response to SaiKar, you can also credit the Charas Community.

But I don't think you can do something about the "I've made it" things. And sooner or later people will find out. You see, the charas characters all look similar.

But what I will do is search the web for Charsets, look at the resources and compare them with the current ones. I will notify you which resources should have the addition "rip from...". This way the resource will be more creditted.

[Sarl]

It makes me violently ill when people proclaim..."Duh, I don't know da author!" when their name is right there! It also infuriates me that some people have been stealing resources from sites which say "you may not host this resource" such as Wild Pudding's monster site. Something needs to be done about this, because it's theft, pure and simple.
Also, why do people keep stealing from Chara's member site, Gaming Ground Zero, when GGZ states that you must ask for permission before posting the resource?
AAAAGH!
I can list many of the authors that resources have been stolen from, as long as you ask.

[Darkfox]

This is a topic kick. BUT! I respect your speaking of your mind. And it too angers me. It isn't right.

[Sarl]

Two questions...
What's a topic kick?
Is there anything we can do about the misattributions/stealing of resources?