Comments on the new B-Char generator

[Wiseman]

There isnt many resources, its because of this i'm doing some.

[Wiseman]

 [STRIKE]There isnt many resources, its because of this i'm doing some.[/STRIKE]

[SaiKar]

AWESOME! I am sure that having a functioning battlecharacter generatior will make the lives of many people around here so much easier.  

I said that I would help out if this thing ever got going, and I plan on making good on that promise. I will get to work ripping my sprites apart so that I can submit them to the generator. Hopefully I will have 4 or 5 bodys, faces, and hairs done by New Year's.

Good job getting it running!  

[Darkfox]

Hmmm... I've decided to try Non/Half Human resources... because everybody is probly going to make human/elf/dwarf resources. Although I may be mistaken. Personally I'd like to see allot more than just common human/dwarf/elf resources, then there will be a large variety of things to make, like how the charset gen is.

[Alex]

Originally posted by juanosarg
Oh, yup, I can see the problem now. It is kinda strange, because it only happens when you click on "save image". I have tried copying the image directly from the web explorer and pasting it in Photoshop, and the battlechara works perfectly (as seen in the image above). Weird...

It is probably some kind of bug with the code involving saving the .PNGs. So, it is Alex's problem, not mine

Yeah! Stop looking at me! It wasn't me! I followed all the guidelines, ok?    hehehe

I am sending a message to Alex right now

This is REALLY strange...
Anyhow i cannot do anythis to fix, it's Internet Explorer which is buggy with PNG. I use Firebird and never had this problem.
The fact is this: the "save image" command is just the same link of the image opened in a new window.
So, the image you see in the  generator and the one obtained using "save image" is EXACTLY THE SAME!
If one works and the other no, then the problem is in the browser.
I diffusedly talked about this in a msg, linked also from the FAQ page.
So, once again, if you're using Internet Explorer, use the right-click "save as" or use the "save in charas" function and the save your images form "All my saved charasets".

[juanosarg]

I think we should make a "We hate Microsoft" club...

Well, knowing that it works, it is time to make more resources

[GaryCXJk]

Well, a sollution could be to save it in Charas and then save it from the save folder.

If ya know what I mean.

[Jimmie]

Originally posted by Dorgan
Yeah, i have the same problem with the background. I thought it had something to do with me converting it from .png to .bmp (i think) through Paint, as it said some color would be lost.

I loved the bchar generator  , well, bout that problem, thats easy to solve, put your newly created bchar in a program like Idraw or Charamaker ( or photoshop or even paint ) and change te background color ( the uper left one ), i prefer to put as backgound color the Red0Green255Blue0.

[madskaven1]

its nice, but i still prefer to edit my own in paint shop pro...i tear apart some of mine to add to what you have...

[SaiKar]

I uploaded a few things... man, doing these resources is a lot of work! It is a lot more complicated then doing face and character sets.

It is going to be hard to get people to upload a lot of them since it is so much more complicated.

[Darkfox]

So... what has been done so far?

[SaiKar]

Okay, two comments.

1) While trying to upload my resource-to-be, I ran into massive server problems. Whenever I tried to upload a new version to my resources, it simply would not update. The only thing that would make it update involved me a) deleting said resource b) refreshing the entire page c) choosing the body and face that I needed so I could see how things lined up d) uploading my resource and e) choosing it so I could see it on the body.

Needless to say, that is a lot of work and on my pretty-bad internet connection, it was a big pain. I am also annoyed since I did not have this problem yesterday when I was working on Purple Hair.

Any idea what was going on? I still have not gotten the resource done because of this... it just takes too long.


2) Okay, this is more of a discussion topic. It is about the bodies. What is the point of the body part of the generator? It is completely covered up by the face, hair, and clothes anyway, and the few pixels that are not covered could be easily fixed.

The bodies in the character generator were all right because all the sprites were about the same size. But battle characters are all competely different. Some are different heights, some are thinner or fatter, some bend slightly differently. Making all these resources fit onto one body is tough work.

And then there is the victory pose. The body we have allows two types of victory poses: "thumbs up" poses and "stretch the arm" poses. We cannot have characters that raise their fists in joy, put their fingers over their mouths, or make any number of other arm movements.

Victory poses are what makes characters unique and different, and I think this is a big flaw in the generator that needs to be fixed. So I see four possible solutions to this problem.

1) We have multiple bodies in different poses for different victory poses.
2) We remove the body part of the resource completely.
3) We chop the arms off the body on the victory poses so that they can be different.
4) We remove the body from the victory pose entirely.

Any thoughts?

[Alex]

1) it's probably your browser's cache. If you upload a resource with the same name it replaces the old one, but until you reload the page you may see the old one.
Unfortunatly IE doesn't recognize a "just an image" change.
But you're also saying you did'nt have this problem yesterday... but no changes were made in the last days...

2) Well, the main reason to have the body is for "naked" parts.
Simple examples are a bikini, a t-shirt or short pants.

About the bodies, in the future we can add new sets as for the character generator, so different heights and measures will be ok.

And finally, the victory pose...
I know it would be nice to have different ways to create it, but probably a whole generator just for this pose wouldn't be enough.
Consider that the generators are to help in creation of "mass" or "general" characters, or to help ppls who are not able to draw one by themselves. But they give a good base to work on: if you have the generated BC and you'd like a different vicotry pose, the best way is to edit the BC itself (or to find a spriter who helps you out).
I'm telling this because, to be functional, the generator needs some fixed base rules, and one of this is surely the positioning.
Considering you solutions, one by one:

1) We have multiple bodies in different poses for different victory poses.
Yes, but in this case, EVERY resources (faces, hairs, dresses, item) should have a version for each pose. And needs to be redrawn every time a new pose is added...

2) We remove the body part of the resource completely.
Impossible, you'll obtain a ghost within a bikini.

3) We chop the arms off the body on the victory poses so that they can be different.
4) We remove the body from the victory pose entirely.
But in these cases you are forced to draw arms or body entirely, in the victory pose... but what if you're not able to?

Anyhow these are just my comments.
If you think something is wrong, answer with no mercy!

[Nightfox]

The Online Battle Char Generator is very good! Very good job, boys!  

[dark barrier2]

I cant submit the stuff i have uploaded. where is that button