Loremaster: Rise of Kalibur

[Bluhman]

Oh, for Pete sake, COME ON.

It's just a damned charset! We're all making a deal over it like it's something illegal. Well, tell you what, folks, by just using RM2k, we're doing something illegal. To put it quite clearly, the charset was made by Roco. It even has the trademark goggles that the charset wears, which are absent from Skylar. The faceset was also made by Roco. The battlecharset was made by InsaneJP For Carpe Diem, so when it comes down to it, it's property of InsaneJP, not Linkforce, and thus he must decide whether or not Immortal can use the Bcharset or not. I have no clue who did the poses. Some were done by Osmose, I remember, and I know for a fact that I did a few. With that said, I just don't care whether or not you use the poses I made, but the thing is that those resources were made for Linkforce's game, but aren't necessarily property of Linkforces, so I'm really just not all that clear on how anything could really be wrong. I remember one person who used my Osdray Charset without my permission, but I didn't care, because I knew it was going to happen sooner or later.

If it's really all that important of a matter, and elevates to unmanageable levels, Immortal, I will offer to recolour your main character's sprites.

[Ephiam]

Telling someone to kill themselves because they used a god forsaken Character Set without asking is a bit much, don't you think? Using 2K3, and 2K is illegal in the first place. Besides, it's nothing at all to get so flustered over.


Now, onto not spamming up this users topic with uselessness..


It is a overall great sounding game. I like the maps, the characters, the facesets and the Battle Chars very much. I also like the fact that you developed your own Battle Backs. Nice.

I hope you get some rather good voice acting for your game.

Good luck!

[Ace of Spades]

Sorry Linkforce, but I have to side with ImmortalDreamer on this one. That charset is not your property; you chose to use a charset that was open to everyone. The poses made for him were for you, yes, but the character itself is not custom. If the character were customly made, then you'd have more of a right to tell him "Hey, don't use that character set since he's the main character in my game." But when it comes down to it, it's no different than him using say, a Rudra charset, and someone else who used that character telling him not to use it. All in all, the character isn't yours since it's not custom. And with this in mind, it would be pointless for him to get a separate battle character made for the character, seeing as there would hardly be a difference. Sorry Linkforce, but you should've taken the fact of using a public resource into consideration before using the character.

[Linkforce]

I know i didn't create the charset.  That's not what I'm talking about here.  I am talking about the b0chara.  That was made for my game specifically and its fucked up that he used it for himself without asking me or whoever made it.  Giving me credit for something i didn't agree on doesnt make it alright.  What am I to say if you started using all of my characters?

Oh, and I spoke to Insane...this is a direct qoute from him:

"If someone is using your characters at all that ive made for you i would say they need your permission to use them in their game because theyre in YOUR game already. My permission is not really needed because they are still your characters not mine. Maybe you can come to an agreement with someone because i know poeple have asked me and as long as i get credit or they keep the same name or even edit the characterset so its now there own i was fine with it."

[ImmortalDreamer]

Ace of Spades pretty much said everything. I'm using the set, I've decided that. Deal with it. I'll give both you and InsaneJP credit. If the topic keeps going this way, I'll ask a mod to lock it. I just wanted to advertise my ****ing game. Also, I don't know what you wanted to prove with the InsaneJP quote. Basically what he said is if he gets credit, he's fine with it.

@lucas: If you really think I'm gonna start my game over, you're crazy. And telling someone to kill themselves over a character set is just fucked up.

@Bluhman: Yeah, that was my whole way of thinking using the set in the first place.

[Linkforce]

He said as long as you edit it or change it around to not make it look like mine.  But if you want to be that way, enjoy him, you prick.  I doubt your game will go anywhere anyways.

[Vidian]

My god,

All he did was Edit it a bit and made poses.
Your not stealing his Cat God damn it.

There are no legal rules for this sort of thing, If there were, no one could use Roco Character sets anyway.
In the real world even editing a character set  which is what linkforce did would require an Image release from Roco.
Smarten The *uck Up peepz.

[Meiscool-2]

Wow, you are all idiots. Except ZKX, he hit this right on the nose.

He's complaining about the missuse of a battlecharacter that was specifically made for his game, NOT THE GOD DAMN PUBLIC CHARASET. Ace, I'm especially mortified by you, thinking this was about a charaset. Have you no common thought process?

If you all are gonna bitch, at least bitch about the right things. This arguement is almost exact to:
"You took my banana!"
"You said I could because there isn't a sticker on it."
"It's ok, the apple is a public resource."
"The apple was made by Jesus."
"I'm going to argue that the apple was made by God."
"I don't care about the apple, he took my banana."
"That's messed up."
"Let me just restate that I side with the banana thief in saying that it's ok for him to eat the apple."

To end further arugement about the point that the battle character was made for Linkforce's game, and thus is his to own, I shall say: If you buy a condom, is it still the store's property? No. Linkforce "bought" the character from insane jp. If other people want to use the condom though, they have to ask the owner, who is now Linkforce. A condom just isn't as cool as it was if more than one person uses it.

To clear something: I don't care if he uses it or not. I am, however, highly against him using an unedited version of the battle character.

[chocobomaster09]

Lol.. ok im going to take a few seconds to laugh at this whole topic.



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Ok.. first of all, PIXALS.. little dots on your screen, I mean goddamn..
Just freaking make one pixal black and BOOM its custom. I side with ImmortalDreamer on this one as well, he just wants to show his work to everybody here..

I mean we are all stealing here one way or another, shall we get all those companys into this arguement while were at it?

Sorry link, but fussing over a few pixals is just lame, and makes me laugh.

My 50cents of the day. Thank you.


Btw just to not get off topic. Those screenshots are looking sweet man, and those drawings of your char's. If only i could draw..  

[ImmortalDreamer]

You know what, I'm just gonna add goggles to the damn battle chara. Then its an edited version.


Now, on a production note. Here are some new screens, feedback is always nice. Especially C&C.

[Osmose]

Those cave maps and interior maps from the first post look a little empty but no horrible, while that building you just posted looks great on the outside (In terms of adding too much/too little detail). I hope you're sprucing up the maps a little, otherwise it looks like a great game.

PS: ... I did a pose edit at some point?
PPS: Any more arguing about "stolen sprites" and such can go in PM if you feel a burning desire to argue about it.

[ImmortalDreamer]

@Osmose: Thanks for the feedback. Anything in paticular I can do to spruce up the maps? Map making is the one thing I need some work on.

@chocobomaster: Thanks for the support!

Here is a test battle with the next character the party gets, Evan, and the goggle edited version of the main character (I also changed some of the battle poses, such as the casting magic pose).

[Koopapooper]

Link, if someone credits you anyway the whole damn thing should be good enough because it might show people how good you are at making resources for rpg2k or 2k3 which will make people respect you more.  
 

[Bluhman]

Originally posted by ImmortalDreamer
@Osmose: Thanks for the feedback. Anything in paticular I can do to spruce up the maps? Map making is the one thing I need some work on.

@chocobomaster: Thanks for the support!

Here is a test battle with the next character the party gets, Evan, and the goggle edited version of the main character (I also changed some of the battle poses, such as the casting magic pose).

Could've fooled me. Not a bad edit at all.

Also:

Originally posted by Meiscool
Wow, you are all idiots. Except ZKX, he hit this right on the nose.

He's complaining about the missuse of a battlecharacter that was specifically made for his game, NOT THE GOD DAMN PUBLIC CHARASET. Ace, I'm especially mortified by you, thinking this was about a charaset. Have you no common thought process?

Originally posted by Linkforce

The b-chara is mine.  He credited me which means he took my charaset, and slabbed on some goggles.  I bet he is even using the poses for him, let alone the b-chara.  I did not allow him, nor did he ask for my permission.

So, yes, Linkforce WAS complaining about the misuse of his charset, which is public. I was simply trying to clarify that.

And yes, that Bchar is his, so both me, you, MIC, and anyone else who was talking about the charset was right in some way.

[Meiscool-2]

That was already preargued stuff. Aside from that, Linkforce probally ment the poses when he referred to the charaset, as I don't know what other file you would put poses under.