Let's go western.

[Ben]

I dont call other homosexuals fag. That would be rude.

[Cerebus]

I dont call other homosexuals fag. That would be rude.

If blacks can call other blacks "******" you can call other gay "fags".
Kidding. Well, kinda... yes.

But I get your point and think about the same way. I think. Fag =/= Gay. Fag = Justin Bieber.
Kidding. Well, kinda... yes.

[Ben]

A fag is a fag. A fag is a useless person.  A man that cant pull his own weight. I throw the word fag around like crazy, not in a "HAY HAY HAY SISTER" way....In a "quit being a fag" way. I encourage everyone else to do the same. THe word itself is not derrogatory against gays. Political correctness added this connotation to the word.

Way back in the day, homos got gang beat for being gay. The ones that were unfortunate enough to not have a closet to hide in, were usually pretty effeminate and limp wristed and girly. Couldnt put in a hard days work. You know....faggots.


Just watch the south park episode

[SaiKar]

You have a very refreshing attitude about all this.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Ask Gemini; he seems to know more about fags than I do.

See I thought of putting just that then realized how wrong it sounded.

Seriously, arguing won't be fun anymore.

OH also, I too think Bieber is a fag. Not necessarily gay, but trully, well you know.

[Zerlina]

To say that homophobia is solely caused by religion is a tad hasty. Yes, some people are homophobic because of their religious background, but others are homophobic for cultural, historical or psychological reasons outside of religion.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

What Zerls says is right.

I've known atheists who are homophobes, and even ranted about how they wished they wouldn't propagate them in TV. They were my roomates in college.

I don't think the "acceptance" is in belief, but rather psyche. Like all phobias.

[SaiKar]

No actually, I'm an atheist and I find that gays are as normal as non gays. Really, the only reason that there is any sort of homophobia in our society nowdays, is religion. No matter how hard I think, I cannot think of any other reason for its existence.

Pretty short-sighted. Think about it like this. I'm a guy. I have a sexual interest in women. I don't have a sexual interest in other guys. I can't really understand people that do, partially because I'm not wired that way, and the thought of having such an interest is more than a little unpleasant for me. I like to avoid unpleasant things. People that have unpleasant interests may try to push those unpleasant interests on me, and that makes me uncomfortable.

That, I think, is the extent of the rational argument, and it's basically hard-coded into our biology so I don't feel terribly guilty about feeling that way. I've had gay and bi friends, and on the most part they're completely in every way like a normal friend, except when certain subjects come up it tends to get real awkward.

The irrational argument is that people with such unpleasant interests are evil / immortal / "wrong" and should be punished / thrown out of society / killed / whatever to prevent them from spreading or otherwise weirding people out. And I soooort of see where this kind of mindset is coming from, but I think that we're supposed to be living in an enlightened, liberal, "do whatever you want as long as it don't tread on me, man" type age, and people's bedroom habits in other houses are definitely none of my business.

In any event, none of that sort of thinking has the slimmest bit to do with religion.

[Zerlina]

The irrational argument is that people with such unpleasant interests are evil / immortal / "wrong"

Well I guess we now know the secret to eternal life.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

So who are you trying to convince that gays are alright?

[Zerlina]

So, like, if nobody ever told you that liking dudes was wrong, or that you should only find women attractive, then maybe you'd find dating another guy to be a perfectly normal thing and you might even do it yourself.

Not really. Also, even if this argument were true, religion would not be the only factor as religion is only a small part of a larger culture and society. So there could literally be any reason why someone would tell someone to be homophobic, not just religion.

And it's not always the case that one is told to be homophobic. Often, they are implicitly taught (or they themselves rationalize homophobia) through continued societal observation and interaction, or other psychological factors. Explicit instruction does happen sometimes, but not always.

Also, yes, in some city-states the Greeks did practice frequent bisexuality. However, it was actively encouraged as women were seen as unclean and made only for child bearing. Real love was supposed to exist only between men and to love a woman was considered animalistic, dirty and weak. Men who weren't bisexual or homosexual may have participated in homosexual activity because of societal pressure, not because they were actually homosexual.

[HobomasterXXX]

So hey how about that Devil May Cry

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Not really. Also, even if this argument were true, religion would not be the only factor as religion is only a small part of a larger culture and society. So there could literally be any reason why someone would tell someone to be homophobic, not just religion.

And it's not always the case that one is told to be homophobic. Often, they are implicitly taught (or they themselves rationalize homophobia) through continued societal observation and interaction, or other psychological factors. Explicit instruction does happen sometimes, but not always.

Also, yes, in some city-states the Greeks did practice frequent bisexuality. However, it was actively encouraged as women were seen as unclean and made only for child bearing. Real love was supposed to exist only between men and to love a woman was considered animalistic, dirty and weak. Men who weren't bisexual or homosexual may have participated in homosexual activity because of societal pressure, not because they were actually homosexual.

Damn.

That's some background I had no idea of.

I just got schooled.

That is of course, if it's true. Which I don't doubt because I had generally heard of something like that. But not in this aspect.

[MissingName]

So hey how about that Devil May Cry

I liked 3.  Not too sure about the new one.

[Archem]

Fags. Get back on topic faster.