Finally free of my job.

[fruckert]

This topic is making me want to gouge out my eyes.

[drenrin2120]

For reals

[daoman89]

Why?

[drenrin2120]

Nah, I pretty much agree with you. This isn't in response to why, but I don't think hating America means you hate its people... Well, atleast not all of the time. If Lucas hated Americans, he wouldn't have stuck around for years on a forum half-populated by Americans. I won't speak for Lucas, but he does live in a part of the world where America's foreign has had some not so awesome effects on its local people.

[Cerebus]

I know a lesbian and she's cool as ****.

That's a problem I have with people who "accept" gays. It's like "Haha, sweet lesbians! Oh, ew, gays..."
Now, I'm not saying that's what you meant, don't worry. But saying "Guys shouldn't act like girls, but hey, this girl acts like a man, she's cool!" sounds kind of hypocrite.

To be honest, I'm fairly sure you're not like that, even though it sounded a bit like it to me. But many people actually are like this.

But yeah... nice screenshots!

[daoman89]

Lol not what I meant and haha she doesn't act like a male.  She's just idk how to explain it

[Archem]

That's a problem I have with people who "accept" gays. It's like "Haha, sweet lesbians! Oh, ew, gays..."
Now, I'm not saying that's what you meant, don't worry. But saying "Guys shouldn't act like girls, but hey, this girl acts like a man, she's cool!" sounds kind of hypocrite.

To be honest, I'm fairly sure you're not like that, even though it sounded a bit like it to me. But many people actually are like this.

Part of the issue here is that women have a long-standing tradition of being tomboys when they feel like it. Men have a long-standing tradition of being men. That plays into social norms. A big part of that comes from the women's equality movements over the years that have made women free to do as they please, with many of them behaving, dressing, and acting in ways typically associated with men at times in our history. It's something that won't be an issue, since men have been in control of the world throughout history, meaning that they have set what they want as their accepted norms, and no "equality" movement will ever happen. It's somewhat hypocritical, yes, but it's not quite the same as gay women and gay men acting in ways that are typically set for the opposite gender's behavioral norms. Anything past being able to accept a person for their behavior is decided by the person's sex drive, and is to be considered biased and not admissible in this topic.

[daoman89]

So are you saying that the homosexuals act the way they do because of their sex drive, not because of they have the right to?  I'm trying to understand your statement better.

[Moosetroop11]

In my extensive experience, gay people do tend to 'act' gay.  Sexual preference does not just affect who you want to sleep with.  That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, but I think it's a little naive to think that homosexuality doesn't affect your personality in other ways, because it definately does.

[daoman89]

I've always found it hard to believe that a person is born gay.  I mean sure maybe some are, but are all people who are gay born that way?  I'm a strong believer in how society influences people's personalities when they are growing up.  But then there's that part of when a child is born how they act differently from other children.  Like say when you were a baby you never cried where as your little sister always cried.  But does a new born child even know sexual attraction yet?  I'll have to look into it more one day.  The world is a complex but fascinating place.  Just look around you one day and embrace the world's beauty and appreciate the chance to be a part of it.

[Archem]

So are you saying that the homosexuals act the way they do because of their sex drive, not because of they have the right to?  I'm trying to understand your statement better.

Not really. I'm saying that the idea that lesbians are more socially acceptable (at least from a male point of view) than gay men comes from the male mind, which sees women and sexual acts, then jumps straight to eroticism. Seeing men and sexual acts seems awkward, and may be tied to baser instincts regarding territorial behavior and mate selection and exclusivity. I can't expressly speak from a woman's point of view regarding their reactions to viewing or imagining same-sex partnerships per gender, but I imagine the thought process is similar.

In my extensive experience, gay people do tend to 'act' gay.  Sexual preference does not just affect who you want to sleep with.  That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, but I think it's a little naive to think that homosexuality doesn't affect your personality in other ways, because it definately does.

I've actually had the complete opposite. Out of every single gay or bisexual person I've ever known (and I've known a pretty good number), not a single one acted overtly "gay". They were all normal people who, if I wasn't told about their sexual preference by them, I would never have known. The closest to that was my friend John, who liked to write stories that, while quite good, always involved gay sex between two male protagonists by the third act. I just don't think that something as simple as sex can really cause a person's entire personality to warp into something that clearly isn't some requirement. I'm not convinced that simply coming to terms with who you are would make you instantly take to speaking with a lisp and wearing a tight pink half-tank top. It's not something that any rational person would see as a good idea unless they were trying to be an attention whore.

I've always found it hard to believe that a person is born gay.  I mean sure maybe some are, but are all people who are gay born that way?  I'm a strong believer in how society influences people's personalities when they are growing up.  But then there's that part of when a child is born how they act differently from other children.  Like say when you were a baby you never cried where as your little sister always cried.  But does a new born child even know sexual attraction yet?  I'll have to look into it more one day.  The world is a complex but fascinating place.  Just look around you one day and embrace the world's beauty and appreciate the chance to be a part of it.

Didn't science show that sexual attraction is, like all forms of emotion, related to chemicals produced by the brain? If I'm not wrong about that, then I wouldn't be able to believe that a person can choose or change their sexuality at will, and that something would have to have affected the chemical production of their brains before birth. The science-y explanation makes homosexuality sound more like a mutation or birth defect, so I like to not bring it up, since it's a bit insulting. Also, if my facts are all wrong, I look like an idiot for banking on them so heavily. Either way, it certainly doesn't seem like something a rational person would choose simply because of the harsh social stigma that has been associated with it for so long.

Maybe bisexuality is a choice. I would ask a few friends of mine, but it seems too awkward, and I'm not exactly sure how that would affect our friendships.

[SaiKar]

I've always found it hard to believe that a person is born gay.  I mean sure maybe some are

Make point.
Immediately contradict point.

You're an interesting one.

[Prpl_Mage]

I've always found it hard to believe that a person is born gay.  I mean sure maybe some are, but are all people who are gay born that way?  I'm a strong believer in how society influences people's personalities when they are growing up.But then there's that part of when a child is born how they act differently from other children.  Like say when you were a baby you never cried where as your little sister always cried.  But does a new born child even know sexual attraction yet? 

A seed will grow into a tree, destined in creation by that which conceived it. Regardless of where it grows - a seed will always rise to the sky in the end.

[Felix-0]

There is an already found gay "gene"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

this applies to direct homosexuals.
I believe most of those who are Bisexual
such as myself, grow so out of simple open mindedness and probably a bit of hormones missing here or there. >_>

As of which, to this day. I haven't really told any of my close friends of my sexual orientation, mostly out of the questions I know they would ask.

I already told a few about my DID, and that didn't go exactly well.. so yea.
My 0.02$


Seriously, what topic is this thread even on? I'm so lost. All I said was that I was free of my job. ; A;

[Felix-0]

Also, Felic-0, we're not gutting eachother (just yet), we're just having a friendly debate (for now!!!).

You nubcake. You can't even type my name properly. :3c